<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ArizonaFan @ Jul 6 2006, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> Why does it matter that Stockton didn't get it? I'm sure if they both played at the same time what you just said might actually mean something. If Stockton and Nash played at the same time(now) Stockton would have won it. If it was back then neither would have probably.</div>I'm just trying to say something about the rediculousness of Nash's winning, but you have to be on one of the best teams in the league (which isnt fair IMO)... I dont even know how this came up.
They played in different times with different players. Nash deserved his first one and I bet the people won in Stockton's time deserved it also.
During Stockton's prime ('87-'98):MVP's Michael Jordan 5Magic Johnson 2Charles BarkleyHakeem OlajuwanDavid RobinsonKarl MaloneI'd say most of those guys deserved it over Stockton.
Well if KG gets traded to a contending team, i see him among the candidates of Lebron, Kobe, and Dirkand the maybes of TMac, Amare, AI(traded), Wade, and VC =)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bowles @ Jul 6 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carmelo? The guy sucks in the 4th quarter. If he can overcome that, maybe, but I don't think he's anywhere near LeBron or Wade right now.</div>Are you that stupid??? Melo as of right now should still be considered more clutch than LeBron. Sure LeBron came out with some game winners towards the end of the season(it was about time) but Melo has been consistently clutch throughout his NBA career. He has easily hit more game winners than LeBron. I agree he isn't on the same level as Wade or LeBron but he is definetly clutch and that had to be one of the dumbest statements I've seen here. Have you honestly ever watched Melo play??? I agree with you saying KG if he gets traded VCfan but the only thing is it's beginning to look like he is definetly not being traded. BTW NJfantastic mind enlighting me how Nash has never deserved his MVP awards??? I know this season it was questionable but he was easily the most deserving two seasons ago.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 7 2006, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you that stupid??? Melo as of right now should still be considered more clutch than LeBron. Sure LeBron came out with some game winners towards the end of the season(it was about time) but Melo has been consistently clutch throughout his NBA career. He has easily hit more game winners than LeBron. I agree he isn't on the same level as Wade or LeBron but he is definetly clutch and that had to be one of the dumbest statements I've seen here. Have you honestly ever watched Melo play??? I agree with you saying KG if he gets traded VCfan but the only thing is it's beginning to look like he is definetly not being traded. BTW NJfantastic mind enlighting me how Nash has never deserved his MVP awards??? I know this season it was questionable but he was easily the most deserving two seasons ago.</div>LeBron hitting two game winners against a horrible Wizards defense and even traveling in one of them is nothing compared to Melo. Take a look, shall we..As you can see, Melo hit the most game winners in the regular season. Also, saying he sucks in the fourth quarter is a rediculous statement, I'd say him and Paul Pierce are among the top performers in the league. You can even say Melo is more clutch then Wade, while Wade did lead him team with back to back 40 point performances you shouldn't overlook Melo's 11 clutch shots.
In my opinion, there is realy no way to predict who the MVP will be for next season. Heck, the season didn't even start yet. The player you're predicting now could get injured during the season, you never know. But if Nash wins it 3 in a row, you can shoot me
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Jul 7 2006, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LeBron hitting two game winners against a horrible Wizards defense and even traveling in one of them is nothing compared to Melo. Take a look, shall we..As you can see, Melo hit the most game winners in the regular season. Also, saying he sucks in the fourth quarter is a rediculous statement, I'd say him and Paul Pierce are among the top performers in the league. You can even say Melo is more clutch then Wade, while Wade did lead him team with back to back 40 point performances you shouldn't overlook Melo's 11 clutch shots.</div>Thanks for backing up my point but why did you quote my post when I was arguing the same thing??? Shouldnt you have quoted Bowles???
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jordan4pres. @ Jul 7 2006, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2 wordsD-Wadeok.. 1 letter and 1 word lol</div>He's not even the MVP of his team yet. He can do all the scoring and passing he wants, but the only reason he can slash so well is because every defense Miami faces is focused on the big fella. He opens lanes up and creates free shots as well as drives to the hoop.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Jul 7 2006, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What's the argument? That Kobe deserved it over LeBron</div>No. I think Lebron deserved it a lot (maybe not as much as Kobe, but I'm a Lakers fan so my opinion may be biased). He was saying how Kobe didn't deserve it because his team didn't do well in the regular season. But he said Lebron's did, while the difference between them is very slight.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JoshBosh @ Jul 7 2006, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In my opinion, there is realy no way to predict who the MVP will be for next season. Heck, the season didn't even start yet. The player you're predicting now could get injured during the season, you never know. But if Nash wins it 3 in a row, you can shoot me</div>He probably won't win it again. If any Suns player does win it, which they probably shouldn't, it would have to be Amare making his comeback.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakaboy42. @ Jul 7 2006, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's not even the MVP of his team yet. He can do all the scoring and passing he wants, but the only reason he can slash so well is because every defense Miami faces is focused on the big fella. He opens lanes up and creates free shots as well as drives to the hoop.</div>Of course he is. Shaq is slowing down, and frankly alot of the time he cant do sh*t, and he just gets into foul trouble. D Wade carries that team every game, and besides Shaq was in and out of the IR last year, and Dwade averaged 38 ppg in the finals and totally dominated. He is definately the MVP of that team now.
Kobe's not an MVP candidate. The fact that Kobe can put up one of the best seasons in league history and still not win MVP is disgusting. For you people that can't see it, imagine that Lebron didn't get put on some MVP ballots (I know...it's crazy). 'Cause some writers left Kobe off theirs...the exact same writers who gave PJ Brown a 5th place vote not too long ago.Thirty years from now, people will look back at this season, and wonder what F*ck the voters were thinking. Kobe by far had the most memorable season of any player in the league. 7th highest scoring mark in league history, dropping 81 from a wing position, outscoring an entire team throuh three quarters, leading a team whose third best scorer went by the name of "Smush" to playoffs...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (greg of the dead @ Jul 6 2006, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that Lebron will win MVP, but those statistics are unrealistic. If he gets 33 points, he isnt going to be able to get that many assists. So either he is going to average 30 points and around those assists or 31 points and around 5 to 5.5 assists a game. Rebounds may be one to high.</div>Look at the stats from this season. Then tell me those statistics are not realistic.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pistonfan11 @ Jul 7 2006, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carmelo Anthony is a candidate that people fail to mention. He is one of the most improved players since he was drafted in the league, and I think he is ready for a leadership role with the team this season. He jumps shot has improved and his defense has as well. He is also killer at finishing at the rim.</div>I agree people are underrating Melo this guy is big time clutch. No he is not as good as Lebron, or Wade but this guy is a great player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 7 2006, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of course he is. Shaq is slowing down, and frankly alot of the time he cant do sh*t, and he just gets into foul trouble. D Wade carries that team every game, and besides Shaq was in and out of the IR last year, and Dwade averaged 38 ppg in the finals and totally dominated. He is definately the MVP of that team now.</div>D Wade is only able to score the way that he does because he has Shaq. Without Shaq he couldn't keep the team above 500, and Miami was playing some very weak competition.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bowles @ Jul 7 2006, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Nash didn't really deserve both of those (maybe one). The guy doesn't even play defense. Although he is one of the top players, he didn't deserve it two years in a row.</div>Same here he def did not deserve it this past year when you had Lebron, Kobe, Dirk ect..........And the season before that I am sorry, but AI's team made the playoffs even though as a 7th seat they did make the playoffs with AI averaging double points per game then what Nash averaged. And AI also was averaging 7 assists a game only like 4 less then Nash not to bad when you consider AI doubled Nash in points per game. And even if you wanna say AI's team was not a high enough seat in the playoffs Shaq should have finished higher then Nash 04-05.Those who compare who should have won it last season Lebron, or Kobe............It's a hard choice without Kobe the Lakers are worse then the Knicks. But Lebron did lead his team to 50 wins, and averaged what 30/7/7 those kinda #'s are nut's. When you think about it how many players have done that you know.So next season MVP candidates are: Lebron. Kobe, Wade, Iverson (If traded), Dirk since that team should be good, and a few others.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Jul 10 2006, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>D Wade is only able to score the way that he does because he has Shaq. Without Shaq he couldn't keep the team above 500, and Miami was playing some very weak competition.</div>bullsh**. Wade is the one who drives, not Shaq. This is one of the stupidest comments ever. I guess Shaq makes him quicker too, right? Wade is the one creating the shots for himself, not with Shaq's help. I guess Kobe was only able to score 24 ppg because he had Shaq, too? Please, DWade has the most quickness in the NBA and he averaged 38 ppg in the Finals. You are obviously a Wade-basher. Stop being ignorant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 9 2006, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>bullsh**. Wade is the one who drives, not Shaq. This is one of the stupidest comments ever. I guess Shaq makes him quicker too, right? Wade is the one creating the shots for himself, not with Shaq's help. I guess Kobe was only able to score 24 ppg because he had Shaq, too? Please, DWade has the most quickness in the NBA and he averaged 38 ppg in the Finals. You are obviously a Wade-basher. Stop being ignorant.</div>Watching Shaq for 5 years, I saw the kind of difference he makes. Two guys have to worry about him, those two guys are both interior defenders, and because they're busy worrying about him, guys have a much easier time getting into the lane. I'll admit Dwyane is a very good player but he would not be putting up the kind of PPG he is in the way that he is if it wasn't for Shaq.
