MVP Race

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by KingSpeed, Mar 2, 2018.

  1. ripcityboy

    ripcityboy Well-Known Member

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    Wish Dame had more going for him but it's been Harden's award for a while and I just don't see that changing.
     
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    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    Agree. Zero chance of Dame getting any serious consideration for MVP this year, despite the fact that his stats compare favorably to what D. Rose had when he won the title. There's just no national attention being paid to the Blazers this year. I just watched this GameTime piece on who the surprise team might be in the West come playoff time, and not a single mention of the Blazers:

    http://www.nba.com/video/2018/03/02/20180302-gametime-western-conference-heading-towards-playoffs#/
     
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  3. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Disagree.

    BOS was the No. 1 seed in the East last year, and could end up No. 2 this year. Has Kyrie really made them any better than they already were? He has a current (and 5 time) all star as a teammate, who I think is one of the most underrated - by the fans - players in the league, and two top 3 draft picks starting next to him. Aren't top 3 picks supposed to be impact players? Sure, they "lost" Hayward, but they were already the best team in the East without him. They were No. 1 in the East with IT and will be No. 1 or No. 2 with Kyrie. He has a much better roster, both starters and bench, than Dame, a better coach and a better system. And, he plays in a much weaker conference.

    Dame has a lot less to work with and plays in the toughest division of the toughest conference.

    BNM
     
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  4. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    They have 4 players held over from last year's team. To act like he was just added to a #1 seed is disingenuous.
     
  5. KingSpeed

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    Why do you think Thomas was 5th in MVP voting last year? Best player on best player in East. But that doesn't matter because I'm not predicting what will happen. I'm saying this is how I would vote right now.
     
  6. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Thomas was putting up a lot better numbers than Derozen is now.

    The way I'd vote is also how I think it would happen.
     
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    calvin natt Confeve

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    Not including both Curry and KD on any top 5 list is ridiculous. Can’t take you seriously, like usual.
     
  8. KingSpeed

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    Dame is averaging more points, rebounds, and assists than Kyrie.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    I'd say Boston is better now than they were last year, and better equipped for playoff success. Between and Tatum being as tong and they are, being the 3rd and 4th options on a playoff team with Horford being very good but not a great all-star, Kyrie has been great. Take him off that team and they're lucky to make the playoffs.
     
  10. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I never said that.

    But, I did say he has better teammates, a better coach, and a better system. You can also add a better GM to that list. How many recent top 3 draft picks is Dame playing with? How many all star free agents have chosen Portland recently? And, he plays in a weaker conference.

    To ignore all those advantages is disingenuous.

    BNM
     
  11. KingSpeed

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    The fact that have each other hurts them in my opinion. My 5 have had less to work with.
     
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  12. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Per 36, Kyrie is average 1.5 more PPG than Dame and scoring more efficiently. I think they're about as even as you can get, so Kyrie gets the edge due to team success.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Take Dame off our team and we're not not even close to making the playoffs. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

    BNM
     
  14. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Of course not. But were 2 games above the cutline and they're 15 games above.
     
  15. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    They're in the East. We're in the West.

    Don't even try to pretend those to things are equal.

    BNM
     
  16. BonesJones

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    Exactly. Take one away and they're still the contender they are. Therefore, how valueable are they individually? The loss of one means more shots for the other, which isn't a bad thing because they're both super-efficient.
     
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  17. BonesJones

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    There's not an 8 game difference, and considering we lost to them with them missing key players..

    Do you honestly believe we'd be 20+ games above .500 if we were in the east?
     
  18. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    How did you jump to that conclusion??????? That completely ignores everything else I said about BOS - better roster, better coach, better system, better GM...

    BNM
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    And team success, throughout history, has played a role in tks award. Not to mention Kyrtie has been a better and more efficient scorer than Dame this year, and around even everywhere else.
     
  20. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Unfortunately, it seems like it does. It's called "most valuable player award" but it's really "best player on best teams award". How often do we hear the talking corporate shills announcing the games and on TNT say that if you don't lead your team to the finals blah blah blah blah blah.
     

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