Nas doesn't claim to be a role model. He raps about what he knows and he knows hard times and growing up on the streets. Kobe, however, gets the Kids Choice Award for favorite athlete just about every year, he does many charity events, and does many publicity stunts for the acceptance of the youth. I don't think Nas is calling Kobe a bad person but more of a fake person. Nas doesn't claim to be a "goody-two-shoes" like he calls Kobe and he expects other celebrities who appeal to children to actually be that way.
Yes, Kobe made Ray Allen everything that he is today. I agree with Real, no need to come in here acting silly and posting nonsense. For once on justbball lets be mature and agree to disagree, or debate in a civil manner. However as much as you guys all love Kobe (and I like him more than you guys will ever realize), don't let it become a detriment to logical thinking. Sure, you may not like Nas or you-know-who (trying to keep his name out of this thread for you Real ). But you cant deny Nas' talent as a lyricist or you-know-who's talent as a player. And Kobe 8 ball, don't make Nas out to be a bad role model when you have Eminem as your avatar and quoted in your sig. Theclown1 got it right, Kobe was an insignificant part of the song. Notmuchgame got it right too, Kobe is a household name, while Nas is not. So stop saying that Nas is a hypocrite, because Nas isn't shit (yeah, edit it) compared to Kobe. Kobe is much more of a role model than Nas sitting in some studio writing rhymes. I'm taking bets......$5 says that the next "Kobe vs ......" thread will be "Kobe vs Michael Jackson". Any takers?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, Kobe made Ray Allen everything that he is today. I agree with Real, no need to come in here acting silly and posting nonsense. For once on justbball lets be mature and agree to disagree, or debate in a civil manner. However as much as you guys all love Kobe (and I like him more than you guys will ever realize), don't let it become a detriment to logical thinking. Sure, you may not like Nas or you-know-who (trying to keep his name out of this thread for you Real ). But you cant deny Nas' talent as a lyricist or you-know-who's talent as a player. And Kobe 8 ball, don't make Nas out to be a bad role model when you have Eminem as your avatar and quoted in your sig. Theclown1 got it right, Kobe was an insignificant part of the song. Notmuchgame got it right too, Kobe is a household name, while Nas is not. So stop saying that Nas is a hypocrite, because Nas isn't shit (yeah, edit it) compared to Kobe. Kobe is much more of a role model than Nas sitting in some studio writing rhymes. I'm taking bets......$5 says that the next "Kobe vs ......" thread will be "Kobe vs Michael Jackson". Any takers?</div> Nas is an amazing lyricist, Illmatic is a classic, I love his music and who said Eminem was a role model? I never said such a thing? Kobe isnt one either, I have little respect for Kobe off of the court, but I just think its silly to call Kobe out when first of all he isnt a rapper, he hasnt said anythinga bout Nas, and you arent the perfect example yourself.
Kobe Bryant since the rap alligations even though they where dropped has become the perfect target for anyone and everyone to take a shot at. Dave Chapell has done it, Comedy Central has done it, and now Nas ha sdone it it does/ should not surprise anyone its just the kind of hot thing that will spark up contreversy, and boast his record sales. Its like " Just lose it" by Eminem (one of my faorite songs) he takes a shot at Michael because its some what funny, and sparks contoreversy that will get him air time. Thats just how the world is these days.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">but I just think its silly to call Kobe out when first of all he isnt a rapper, he hasnt said anythinga bout Nas, and you arent the perfect example yourself.</div> Kind of like how Eminem called out: Britney Spears Christina Aguilera Backstreet Boys Christopher Reeves Dick Cheney George W. Bush etc etc. Half of those aren't even musicians, let alone rappers.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Kind of like how Eminem called out: Britney Spears Christina Aguilera Backstreet Boys Christopher Reeves Dick Cheney George W. Bush etc etc. Half of those aren't even musicians, let alone rappers.</div> I agree, but if oyu look at the list the first 3 are from his Slim Shady days, and it was stupid...Everyone has been calling out Bush and Cheney so dont even try to pull that one, and the Christopher Reeves is just stupid, but hilarious...anyways back on topic...
1. I really don't think it is a big deal, I do see what he was doing tying to show how the media conveys certain people as heros and such. 2. It is a little hyprocitical him saying this after he came out and said he bought a house outside of Atlanta just to have sex in and he can yell and scream as loud as he wants. 3. Who cares? Seriously it is negative energy towards Kobe but we all know Kobe feeds off it, so let just not make a big deal of it and be better than the haters, rising above our enemies and rivals is the only way to truely beat them and this is how all of us Laker's should act and not lower ourselfs to the level of the hater because they we would be no better then those people, guys take note from this arguing and fighting about it won't make it go away, if people want to voice there opinion thats fine and I will let them excercise that right everyday because it is there god given right, thats why we can not reduce ourselves to there level and destroy the Laker Fan name.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Kobe verse was an insignificant part of this song, and easily could have been replaced by lyrics about someone else. The song was more a stab at the media portrayal of athletes than it was an insult to Kobe. He gives props to guys like Red Fox, actors and actresses who were a good example, but never got the props they deserve. Kobe is easily replacable in this song, but currently he is a prime example of how we can never truly know the true character of someone who the media deems as a "hero </div> Exactly. Some of you guys judged the song before you even heard it. Listen to the song itself, It is very good and the message he portrays in it is good as well. Kobe could have been replaced by any other black NBA player caught up in contreversy. He chose Kobe because, as Jurrasic said, "he is a prime example of how we can never truly know the true character of someone who the media deems as a "hero". Excellent post btw. Now, on the topic of Nas, he is a great rapper but he is one of the biggest hypocrite and contradictors in the rap game. This is the guy who is against selling out and such in one album but then tries to go all pop in some other songs/albums. I respect him as an emcee but I don't like his inconsistently at times. On an off-topic statement, Street's Disciple is an amazing album, go cop it. Illmatic/Stillmatic and Street's Disciple are his top 3 IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shard:</div><div class="quote_post">Nas doesn't claim to be a role model. He raps about what he knows and he knows hard times and growing up on the streets. Kobe, however, gets the Kids Choice Award for favorite athlete just about every year, he does many charity events, and does many publicity stunts for the acceptance of the youth. I don't think Nas is calling Kobe a bad person but more of a fake person. Nas doesn't claim to be a "goody-two-shoes" like he calls Kobe and he expects other celebrities who appeal to children to actually be that way.</div> Took the words right out of my mouth, I was going to say, Nas never said he's some role model, and has never been a role model, he's just talking about those who portray themselves as things they aren't. Also like others have said, it's insignificant to the song, I like how he praises Tiger Woods in the end
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly. Some of you guys judged the song before you even heard it. Listen to the song itself, It is very good and the message he portrays in it is good as well. Kobe could have been replaced by any other black NBA player caught up in contreversy. He chose Kobe because, as Jurrasic said, "he is a prime example of how we can never truly know the true character of someone who the media deems as a "hero".</div> again the media never showed kobe as a hero, he was always blamed fro everything, at least it seems like it in canada, and now everyone is trying to distent them selves from him, and what are they proving? nothing, but then you should always axpect haters if you are on your way to greatness.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> again the media never showed kobe as a hero, he was always blamed fro everything, at least it seems like it in canada, and now everyone is trying to distent them selves from him, and what are they proving? nothing, but then you should always axpect haters if you are on your way to greatness. </div> You're trying to tell me that before 2002, Kobe wasn't the clean-cut mainstream superstar of the NBA? Remember that Mcdonalds commercial with him and little kids? You think he'll be able to do that now? Kobe Bryant & Vince Carter, at one time, were David Stern's dreams coming true infront of his eyes. Clean images off the court, excellent players on the court, and the type of players he wanted his league to be surrounded by instead of the Rasheed Wallace's and Allen Iverson's. However, no one was really exposed to Kobe's introverted personality as much before the rape allegations or even before the 2001 or 2002 season. People in the basketball media world knew about his tiffs with Shaq but the general public knew him as a clean cut player. And that's why so much coverage was exerted on the rape allegations. The media saw a clean cut black superstar who was not the "hero" they had thought he was. Though the allegations have been dismissed, there are enough people in this world (especially in these forums) who will never let go of Kobe's allegations, no matter how good of a player he becomes. Keep ya head up, Kobe.
Hey, everyone has a right to their opinion. Im also a fan of NAS. If I ruled the world got me hooked. Just talkin about life. Nothing wrong with that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting theclown1:</div><div class="quote_post">I heard that song a couple of days ago and just let it go. Its not just about Kobe. Its a small part of the song. Im kinda late with this but its no diss towords Kobe. Its just that he feels that people like Cuba Gooding Jr dont get the respect and honor he deserves but people like Kobe who had a big case against him can get the publicity and its bad for the kids to see it. He is a rolemodel. Nas just says he needs to think about that. Xzibit also said something about Kobe on his lastest mixtape. The album is called: Appetite for Destruction Dont know the song title but he also said something about kobe. Cant really make a quote about it cause didnt hear exact what he said.</div> Indeed the song itself isnt directed at Kobe. It is mostly a song about how the heros the public and media deem arnt exactly the best choices to be heros. However, if you do look at the lyrics I posted he still takes stabs at Kobe's character. That he comes off one way and does something unexpected. Kobe didnt ask to be a hero but he bulit up a reputation that it was acceptable for him to be one for kids and his character flip flops and he gets caught in something like that. Im sure Nas isnt trying to start a fued with Kobe, hes just laying down some facts and opinions. The song is a well written, well performed piece and it has a pretty good meaning to it.
I think people are focusing more on what was said about who rather than listening to the entire message. The only fans I see that don't understand or appreciate the song are Kobe fans. Nas doesn't claim to be a hero himself, listen to the actual song and you will see the message.
Why does it matter if the whole song was directed to him or not? If not the song title would be something along the lines of "I hate Kobe" or whatever. He said what he said, let it go. It doesn't matter. It was weak anyways. I doubt it meant anything to Kobe after what he's used to by now. And Kobe prolly deserves it for cheating on his wife... he should be expecting this kind of criticism.
What doesn't kill you...only makes you stronger. The criticizm, hate, and doubts, from rappers to BSPN and Barkley to Steven A. Smith...Kobe feeds off of this stuff.
Nas is the man, so is Kobe they don't have beef, Nas is one of ;y favourite rappers unless it's to dance to... man all his beats are whack, his lyrics are the best at the moment, amd it's nice to just listen to them quietly... he's also a peacefulish guy considderring that he's telling all his previous enemies such as jay z to rest in peace when they die, Kobe the bomb at everythin' and he real too anyway.... there's nuthin happennin between nas and kobe, nas was just usin kobe as an example
the song is "Coons Picnic" BTW...from wat Nas said on BET the other night...this song is directed to all those who look at media stars as their own role models. He takes a jab at alotta people on this tune... he aint perfect man...but from what i've heard about him in recent yrs...he's not that ugly like b4...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">One thing about Nas? Since when the hell is he such a great role model? He has a child out of a separate marriage, he has gotten high, he raps about women in some songs, about murder, that just makes him the perfect idol to look up to doesnt it..</div> And when has Kobe ever been such a good role model?? Explain to me please. :-o Kobe worshiper
