<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Right now it has to be Dirk. The Mavs are a dominant team and he plays big when needed - big game against the Spurs, 38 against Utah? 42 on the road against Indy? Plus he shoots a great percentage and gets to the line a LOT.</div> dirk wont win the mvp. for one thing, you say yourself the mavs are a dominate team. the suns arent so dominate considering they just gave up 120 points to the second worste scoring team in the league without nash and lost to the bulls at home for the first time in like 10 years. but with nash in the lineup, they set 2 consec franchise records in win streaks. nash is more important to phoenix than dirk is to dallas. dirk is still freakin awsome, but im just sayin..... reply to this post when the season ends. im right. im not saying nash will win, but im a suns fan so thats what i got. i would put dirk 4th on the list.
^ So are you saying that Nash makes up for all that defense they lost when he does play? cmon. Nash is the MVP of his team. I dont think he is the best player in the league.
In my opinion, Nash is the best team-player and mental leader. But Kobe is the best player in the league. Right now i'd give MVP to Dirk, he's been amazing this season.
Over the past 3 seasons, the Suns are 4-11 without Nash in the lineup. I think the whole 'he has too much talent around him' arguement can be put to rest.
<div class="quote_poster">Windmill360? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^ So are you saying that Nash makes up for all that defense they lost when he does play? cmon. Nash is the MVP of his team. I dont think he is the best player in the league.</div> Nash is the MVP of the league. his last 2 awards sorta prove that. just as the heat are the raining champs, nash is the raining mvp so have some respect. dont just say his team. and saying "best player" is lame because its a team game. and btw heres many argue points for nash being the best player if i were to humor your comment. -second player ever to shoot 50 from feild, 40 from 3s, and 90 from line. not kobe, labron, kg, or whoever. freakin nash. -led team to 2 consec franchise record win streaks. UNHEARDOF. then when hes injured, suns lose to the hawks and bulls at home for the first time in 10 years. -won skills challenge two years ago -2 consec mvp awards. -highest praised player among coaches owners and players. so you can say hes the best player, and hes without a doubt mvp of the league not just his team. you must be a laker fan to say such things
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Over the past 3 seasons, the Suns are 4-11 without Nash in the lineup. I think the whole 'he has too much talent around him' arguement can be put to rest.</div> exactly correct and lets not forget that the suns had amare and matrix the year before both of them with playoff experience, and they had like the worste record in the league
<div class="quote_poster">SpeeJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">In my opinion, Nash is the best team-player and mental leader. But Kobe is the best player in the league. Right now i'd give MVP to Dirk, he's been amazing this season.</div> what you say though is a direct contradiction because part of being the best player is being the best team player and mental leader. is kobe more athletic? in some ways. i gaurentee you nashes 3/4 court on the dime passes kobe could not do. and kobes 81 points nash could not do. so the whole conversation is just dumb
<div class="quote_poster">mechanix Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nash is the MVP of the league. his last 2 awards sorta prove that. just as the heat are the raining champs, nash is the raining mvp so have some respect. dont just say his team. and saying "best player" is lame because its a team game. and btw heres many argue points for nash being the best player if i were to humor your comment. -second player ever to shoot 50 from feild, 40 from 3s, and 90 from line. not kobe, labron, kg, or whoever. freakin nash. -led team to 2 consec franchise record win streaks. UNHEARDOF. then when hes injured, suns lose to the hawks and bulls at home for the first time in 10 years. -won skills challenge two years ago -2 consec mvp awards. -highest praised player among coaches owners and players. so you can say hes the best player, and hes without a doubt mvp of the league not just his team. you must be a laker fan to say such things</div> I'm not saying that Nash is not a good player by any means, nor am i disrespecting him by saying that he is not the mvp and that he is the best player on his team. The last time I checked, the MVP award was given to one player, not the whole team. Right now Steve Nash isn't even number one in player efficiency rankings (He is listed at 9) There are 8 better players in front of him, including Garnett, Duncan, Wade, Boozer, Bryant, Nowitzki, Yao... you get the point. Nash is on a team and system that is PERFECT for him and that's why he is such a good player on the Suns. Why should Nash win 3 MVPs in a row when it is easily arguable that there are several other players that deserve it above him? Are we supposed to look back on history and see Nash with 3 MVPs and say that he was the best player of that era? If I were to see that I would think he would have been raking up championships like crazy. He might not even win one this year. Are we going to give him the MVP every year just because he is an assist monster and he plays on the highest scoring, fast paced team in the league and everyone is pretty much suited to his style of play? Is it supposed to read: 3 consecutive MVP award winners - Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Steve Nash?? Jordan didn't even win 3 in a row. What do skill challenges have anything to do with the regular season? And your arguments about the Suns losing because Nash was out doesn't work either.... They won in Portland and beat Denver without Nash and in the Denver game they were down by like 9 before he left. Don't forget in the Chicago game they were without Diaw also.... that means they were playing Burke in place of him... friggin BURKE! How about an award where getting injured dictates whether or not you should win it. yea.... you're looking at it. Nash is a good player by all means. Nash is not the most valuable player in the league nor the best player. He just plays on the a high scoring team as the best player. Just because he averages 10 assists and the suns score a lot means he should get the MVP every year..... ok.
IMO Nash's first MVP award belonged to Shaq The second MVP award was Nash's This one is a toss up...could see it going to Nash again, but also Dirk and Kobe deserve it. IMO though there's no true MVP and there hasnt been since Shaq's gotten older and Jordan's not in the league. There are far more players who are about equal now with none of them being clear cut above the rest.
<div class="quote_poster">mechanix Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">exactly correct and lets not forget that the suns had amare and matrix the year before both of them with playoff experience, and they had like the worste record in the league</div> Right, but a bunch of superstars cause their teams to lose when they are not in the Lineup. That doesn't prove he is an MVP, but it does mean he is important player of course. LeBron's team has a winning record when he is not in the lineup, so what? This particular stat isn't that important.
The reason this is even an arguement is because nobody can define what MVP even means. What does "Most Valuable" mean? Some people think it means the best player in the NBA (Kobe), some think it means the best player on the best team (Dirk), some think it means the player that means the most to his team (Nash). You have to admit the award isn't very clear and the voters all have their own views on it. Feel free to argue about who you think deserves it, but you also have to understand another person may not even agree with you about the meaning of "Most Valuable". Personally it means something different to me every year, and I like it that way, it should be flexible and not set in stone. I think 2 years ago Nash won the MVP hands down, no contest; he took a 29-53 team to a 62-20 record, and his APG that season ranks 20th all-time (we haven't seen an APG like that since Stockton, 10 years prior to that). Last year I could make a case for LeBron because his numbers were Oscar Robinson-esque... but his team didn't even win their division, and the MVP is almost never given to a non-division winner. Winning matters a lot, you can't claim to be "valuable" if you're not on a team that is winning a lot. With that, this year, armed with my definition of "Most Valuable", I say it's between Dirk and Nash -- I'd put Dirk ahead of Nash at this point in the season (no tangible reason, just a gut feeling). Nothing's wrong with Kobe, but the Lakers aren't leading their division; the only other player I'd throw into the discussion is Gilbert Arenas, but he's in the Leastern Conference, so that takes him right back out.
