<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>What the hell do you keep complaining about TKO, Clements is a top 10 corner, and i don't think anyone will disagree. Mcgahee is a top 10-15 back. Moulds is a top 20 receiver. Lee Evans will be a top 15 receiver. Losman is going to prove alot of people wrong. And the Bills defense is top 5. Why keep arguing with these people??? Some of them have no clue as to what other teams have to offer, so don't let it bother you.</div> Are you like his best friend??????? Top 20 WR's in football. 1. Randy Moss 2. Marvin Harrison 3. Terrell Owens 4. Torry Holt 5. Chad Johnson 6. Javon Walker 7. Hines Ward 8. Joe Horn 9.Mushin Muhammed 10. Andre Johnson 11. Derrick Mason 12. Reggie Wayne 13. Donald Driver 14. Issac Bruce 15. Michael Clayton 16. Eric Moulds 17. Rod Smith 18. Jimmy Smith 19 Drew Bennet 20. Roy Williams Now of all the rankings I've seen I have not seen Lee Evans in the top 20 at all. Hell here is USA Today's rankings http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...receivers_x.htm The only thing I see is accurate is that McGahee and Bills defenses. Outside of that we don't know. Like I said before Football is my LIFE and I do know what every teams have to offer. Saints and Bills both and I believe that its not gonna be pretty this season. What is pissing me off so much is that TKO seems to be all about trying to posts stuff that will get mine or panthers or J-E-T-S blood boiling so he can have a fight on the internet. Kind of Sick when you think about it. </div> Well right there at #16 is Eric Moulds. That's top 20 like i said. And Lee Evans WILL be, "WILL" you got that?? Will be top 15. So only thing you don't agree with me on is Losman. Which i don't balme you. He's unproven and pretty much a rookie. I'm just going off my knowledge of watching him at Tulane. I'm not trying to pick a fight. Like i said, i don't argue about shit i dont' know about.</div> Lee Evans won't be top 15 for a while yet. Reason. JP Losman. There you go. I put Fitzgerald, Roy Williams and Michael Clayton all higher than him. I almost feel sorry for Eric Moulds as a veteren because some of these younger fans are writing him off for Lee Evans already when it's Moulds who keeps it rolling.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'> Are you like his best friend??????? Top 20 WR's in football. 1. Randy Moss 2. Marvin Harrison 3. Terrell Owens 4. Torry Holt 5. Chad Johnson 6. Javon Walker 7. Hines Ward 8. Joe Horn 9.Mushin Muhammed 10. Andre Johnson 11. Derrick Mason 12. Reggie Wayne 13. Donald Driver 14. Issac Bruce 15. Michael Clayton 16. Eric Moulds 17. Rod Smith 18. Jimmy Smith 19 Drew Bennet 20. Roy Williams Now of all the rankings I've seen I have not seen Lee Evans in the top 20 at all. Hell here is USA Today's rankings http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...receivers_x.htm The only thing I see is accurate is that McGahee and Bills defenses. Outside of that we don't know. Like I said before Football is my LIFE and I do know what every teams have to offer. Saints and Bills both and I believe that its not gonna be pretty this season. What is pissing me off so much is that TKO seems to be all about trying to posts stuff that will get mine or panthers or J-E-T-S blood boiling so he can have a fight on the internet. Kind of Sick when you think about it. </div> Well right there at #16 is Eric Moulds. That's top 20 like i said. And Lee Evans WILL be, "WILL" you got that?? Will be top 15. So only thing you don't agree with me on is Losman. Which i don't balme you. He's unproven and pretty much a rookie. I'm just going off my knowledge of watching him at Tulane. I'm not trying to pick a fight. Like i said, i don't argue about shit i dont' know about.</div> Lee Evans won't be top 15 for a while yet. Reason. JP Losman. There you go. I put Fitzgerald, Roy Williams and Michael Clayton all higher than him. I almost feel sorry for Eric Moulds as a veteren because some of these younger fans are writing him off for Lee Evans already when it's Moulds who keeps it rolling.</div> Yeah, i'm writing off Eric Moulds. OK
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'> Well right there at #16 is Eric Moulds. That's top 20 like i said. And Lee Evans WILL be, "WILL" you got that?? Will be top 15. So only thing you don't agree with me on is Losman. Which i don't balme you. He's unproven and pretty much a rookie. I'm just going off my knowledge of watching him at Tulane. I'm not trying to pick a fight. Like i said, i don't argue about shit i dont' know about.</div> Lee Evans won't be top 15 for a while yet. Reason. JP Losman. There you go. I put Fitzgerald, Roy Williams and Michael Clayton all higher than him. I almost feel sorry for Eric Moulds as a veteren because some of these younger fans are writing him off for Lee Evans already when it's Moulds who keeps it rolling.</div> Yeah, i'm writing off Eric Moulds. OK </div> Did I say you were????????????????????? Never!!!!!! you at least put him in the top 20. Some people don't believe he is even top 25. Which is sad. I see Evans ahead of him sometimes when Moulds is still a better reciever.
Evans might have a huge injury or a sophmore slump so lets wait till next year to see if he might be going into the top 20 WRs
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>were not saying hes not a elite corner, i just think your trying to find stuff to argue about</div> someone on here said 'Nate Clements isn't an elite corner - he's not even top 10'. I was just simply out to show that person, who ever it was - don't really care to look it up, but they know who they are, and they probably aren't going to show up in this thread - that Clements is in fact an elite Corner. And the whole 'but he plays on a good defense' is garbage - he's one of the reasons this D is good. Chris McCallister (sp?) plays on a good D - and I'm not gonna take anything away from him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>What the hell do you keep complaining about TKO, Clements is a top 10 corner, and i don't think anyone will disagree. Mcgahee is a top 10-15 back. Moulds is a top 20 receiver. Lee Evans will be a top 15 receiver. Losman is going to prove alot of people wrong. And the Bills defense is top 5. Why keep arguing with these people??? Some of them have no clue as to what other teams have to offer, so don't let it bother you.</div> The thing that does bother me is that everyone is essentially writing off Buffalo when in fact we bring a lot of what the steelers brought to the table last year. Don't try to deny it guys - almost none of you (in fact I think bldblack&gld was probably the only one) picked us to get a playoff spot besides me and almost all of you are saying oh well you're only gonna win 7 games 8 games tops. And the #1 reason I'm hearing is because Losman is no Roethlisberger - well guess what, there were a significant # of scouts that actually had Losman rated higher then Roethlisberger as well as the other QBs taken in the first round ahead of Losman. Again, his cockyness did play a big role in him falling to where he was drafted - some GMs probably saw the next ryan leaf because of some scouting agencies that compared his ego to Leaf's. Last I checked, a team was much more then just a QB - and Roethlisberger proved that last year - I guess a lot of these guys weren't paying attention. It's also getting really old hearing about how Bledsoe is gonna be this great hall of fame QB - for mediocrity (he had a few flash in the pan seasons - when he had a line and a TE, but those things are not easily provided when you're a team that's trying to stay balanced on both sides of the ball given the fact that the TE position is considered by many to be an almost obsolete position) and being a QB - there are probably (notice I didn't say certainly - because I don't know, I'm just making an educated guess) significantly more QBs enshrined in Canton then any other position (RB's would probably be second - based on another educated guess). Notice how I don't post something and then try to pass it off as the truth - then I more frequently then not post the reasons (which usually are the truth and not based on assumptions).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't make him out to be the next brett favre - I just pointed out that he has drawn comparisons to him - along with Steve Young. If the Bills and packers played this year in the regular season, and you took the Packers in a bet against me, it would clearly be betting with your heart. Our D would almost completely shut down your O. and Our O would have fun with your D.</div> ha I guess We'll never know and thats why I don't care. Just worry about your bet with J-E-T-S. you no the one where the Jets will get sweeped off the floor this year by the Bills. Come on TKO your trying to cause an argument with me by saying the Bills are better than the Packers and I really don't care. Here is the Reason. The only game they play is in the preseason. So if they play in the Super Bowl which I doubt will happen then both teams must be pretty good. We're not even a week into preseason action and already the Bills will blow out the Pack. Good for the Bills then. Stop trying to cause fights over the internet and trying posting something that is un biased for ounce.</div> I'm not trying to cause an arguement - I'm just trying to show the reasons that Buffalo is gonna be a damn good team this year. As far as 'We'll never know" - I'll bet you anything if we posted a poll on here to see who would more likely win (regardless of where the game is played - weather wouldn't be an issue in this game they're both cold weather teams) between the Packers and Bills - the majority would say Buffalo. And I'm not basing that on the scrimmage either - I'm basing it on the fact that we played in a tougher division then you guys did, (granted we did get fat on the sorry NFC West, but we did beat the crap out of each of those lame duck teams which is what a good team is supposed to do), played in a tougher conference (we had the pleasure of playing the Ravens (I'm not saying the outcome on the Ravens game would have been different for sure, but I really wish I could see what would have happened if this game was played later on in the year when our line started to get better), Steelers (I still blame Bledsoe for this one and if you watched this game and you don't blame Bledsoe then you're a enamoured with all the Bledsoe hype on here), and a pretty solid though inconsistent Jags (another game I wish we could have played later in the year) team this year for our AFC games outside the division.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't make him out to be the next brett favre - I just pointed out that he has drawn comparisons to him - along with Steve Young. If the Bills and packers played this year in the regular season, and you took the Packers in a bet against me, it would clearly be betting with your heart. Our D would almost completely shut down your O. and Our O would have fun with your D.</div> ha I guess We'll never know and thats why I don't care. Just worry about your bet with J-E-T-S. you no the one where the Jets will get sweeped off the floor this year by the Bills. Come on TKO your trying to cause an argument with me by saying the Bills are better than the Packers and I really don't care. Here is the Reason. The only game they play is in the preseason. So if they play in the Super Bowl which I doubt will happen then both teams must be pretty good. We're not even a week into preseason action and already the Bills will blow out the Pack. Good for the Bills then. Stop trying to cause fights over the internet and trying posting something that is un biased for ounce.</div> As far as 'We'll never know" - I'll bet you anything if we posted a poll on here to see who would more likely win (regardless of where the game is played - weather wouldn't be an issue in this game they're both cold weather teams) between the Packers and Bills - the majority would say Buffalo. .</div> So that means nothing. The TRUTH is that they play in different conferences and there is no way of knowing unless they play in the Super Bowl. The Packers were 10-6 and the Bills were 9-7 last year.
one game difference big deal. I'll give you some credit because teams usually build theirselves to be able to take down the top team in their division (notice we took a few patriots players - that was probably an attempt by TD to pick Belicheck's brain - it worked out being a small gain because BB salivates at the chance to face Bledsoe, but Milloy was probably able to give us insight every now and then on what to expect from the Pats O - too bad they lost Weiss, and has been a very good SS for us.) But again - we're trying to take down the superbowl champs, and by that same logic, you guys are just trying to stay one step ahead of the Vikings and Lions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>one game difference big deal. I'll give you some credit because teams usually build theirselves to be able to take down the top team in their division (notice we took a few patriots players - that was probably an attempt by TD to pick Belicheck's brain - it worked out being a small gain because BB salivates at the chance to face Bledsoe, but Milloy was probably able to give us insight every now and then on what to expect from the Pats O - too bad they lost Weiss, and has been a very good SS for us.) But again - we're trying to take down the superbowl champs, and by that same logic, you guys are just trying to stay one step ahead of the Vikings and Lions.</div> whatever you say man. whatever you say.
Clements is a up and coming corner, if he goes to pro bowl again then their will be no queston he will be a top 10 corner
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>one game difference big deal. I'll give you some credit because teams usually build theirselves to be able to take down the top team in their division (notice we took a few patriots players - that was probably an attempt by TD to pick Belicheck's brain - it worked out being a small gain because BB salivates at the chance to face Bledsoe, but Milloy was probably able to give us insight every now and then on what to expect from the Pats O - too bad they lost Weiss, and has been a very good SS for us.) But again - we're trying to take down the superbowl champs, and by that same logic, you guys are just trying to stay one step ahead of the Vikings and Lions.</div> whatever you say man. whatever you say. </div> Why don't you just ignore me if my posts bug you that much - it's not gonna break my heart you know - other wise just get used to me - it's not gonna do you any good getting mad at me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>one game difference big deal. I'll give you some credit because teams usually build theirselves to be able to take down the top team in their division (notice we took a few patriots players - that was probably an attempt by TD to pick Belicheck's brain - it worked out being a small gain because BB salivates at the chance to face Bledsoe, but Milloy was probably able to give us insight every now and then on what to expect from the Pats O - too bad they lost Weiss, and has been a very good SS for us.) But again - we're trying to take down the superbowl champs, and by that same logic, you guys are just trying to stay one step ahead of the Vikings and Lions.</div> whatever you say man. whatever you say. </div> Why don't you just ignore me if my posts bug you that much - it's not gonna break my heart you know - other wise just get used to me - it's not gonna do you any good getting mad at me.</div> please see post before this one by porky on this thread. :cheesey:
