NBA All NBA First Team

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Kinda cheating the system putting Butler and Derozan in as forwards when they've both basically played SG all season. But if that's being permitted, there's really not much to argue with on your teams, although I think perhaps Capela might warrant 3rd team consideration over both Jokic and Embiid.
     
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    Definitely. Let's see how many they end up with.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Butler made an all NBA team as a forward last year.
     
  4. Natebishop3

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    True but now he plays with Wiggins.
     
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    Exactly. His positional breakdown this year is vastly more SG than SF

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    Last year, he played mostly SF

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  6. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Here's my question, how would the Celtics fare in the Western Conference? It's crazy how similar Dame and Kyrie's numbers are. If you use Per 36, because Kyrie only averages 32 minutes per game, they're basically identical.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/YLdIz
     
  7. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    It will be interesting to see how the voting goes this year. East Coast bias, name recognition and stupidity are always factors.

    "The voting is conducted by a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada."

    Pretty sure DeRozan will carry the Canadian vote (remember when Chuck Swirsky voted for Andrea Bargnani over Brandon Roy for ROY). Plus DeRozan made third team All NBA last year and he, and his team, are having a much better season this year that last.

    Steph's number are up slightly, but as noted, he's missed a lot of games, and the Warriors no longer have the best record in the league. He wasn't first team last year, so Damian might have a shot at beating him out for first team All NBA. I do think that playing in a small, isolated market hurts Dame's chances. Sure, Curry also plays on the West Coarst, but he's a household name. He's a former MVP, two time NBA Champion and plays a lot more on national TV. Regardless of how many games he misses, I think a substantial number of voters, especially those on the East Coast, who don't see Dame play often, will vote for Curry by default. It also hurts Dame's chances that the team wasn't playing as well, and he wasn't' playing at an MVP level and missed some of the East Coast games earlier in the year.

    Dame and Kyrie have very similar stats, both basic and advanced, with a very slight edge to Dame in both raw stats and advanced stats. If you look at per-36 numbers, Kyrie may have a slight edge, but I doubt if most voters dig that deep. So, I think it comes down to team success and perception. BOS finished as the No. 1 seed last year and were expected to be the No. 1 seed again this year - in the preseason, prior to Gordon Hayward's injury. So, the fact that they will likely finish 2nd in the East shouldn't surprise anyone, or give the impression that they are overachieving.

    POR, on the other hand, was picked by most to finish dead last in the NW division and miss the playoffs. If, in fact, they end up winning the NW Division and claiming the 3rd seed in the West with 50+ wins, Dame will get a LOT of credit for his team greatly exceeding expectations, which I think will be enough to overcome the East Coast bias and name recognition that favors Kyrie. POR finishing 3rd in the West is a MUCH, MUCH bigger Cinderella story than BOS finishing 2nd in the East.

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    There can only be 1 Center per team
     
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    Per36 shouldn't matter when choosing All NBA. You either get the stats or you don't.
     
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    Okay. Well.

    Kyrie is shooting 49% from the field, to Dame's 44.6%

    Kyrie is shooting 40.8% from three, to Dame's 38.2%

    Kyrie has a 61 TS% to Dame's 60%

    Dame is averaging 4 more minutes per game, and if you equal them up, they're very close in averages, but Kyrie is a more efficient scorer.
     
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    Yes but Dame averages more points, rebounds, blocks, and assists.
     
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    4.

    More.

    Minutes.

    Per.

    Game.
     
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    Playing more time is a positive. He's putting in more work.
     
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    More minutes affects averages. That's why we look at things like PER 36.

    Dame averages around 36 minutes per game. If you take Irving's PER 36, he's very close or better than Dame in a lot of categories. That's for the season anyway. Dame's averages since January have been something entirely different.
     
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    Yes but per36 doesn't measure what the player would actually do if given more time.
     
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    That's exactly what it does. It shows what Irving would average if he was playing 36 minutes. Dame already averages 36 minutes.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    That's what I said - most voters won't dig that deep.

    BNM
    Dame is averaging 26.9 ppg, to Kyrie's 24.4

    Dame is averaging 6.5 apg to Kyrie's 5.1

    Dame is averaging 4.5 rpg to Kyrie's 3.8

    That, and team record are all the stats most voters will even bother to look at. Those numbers, combined with reputation and perception will determine the vote. To most voters, Dame will have the statistical advantage and Kyrie will have team performance on his side. So, it comes down to reputation and perception. Last year, Dame had the reputation as a poor defender, and the perception was the team underachieved. This year, his defense is much better and the perception is the team has overachieved.

    So, in spite of East Coast bias, I give Dame the nod. Of course, both could end up 2nd team All NBA, in which case that's all moot.

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Not really. More minutes can lead to more fatigue and more nagging injuries, which decreases efficiency. There becomes a point of diminishing returns. If not, every team would play their best players 48 MPG. Given Kyrie's injury history, he may simply be incapable of playing 4 more minutes per game at the same level of production. To assume he would be just as efficient at 36 MPG as he is at 32 MPG is just that - an assumption.

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    I think Dame will beat him out, simply because of what he's putting up since the ASB. I'm just showing Kingspeed that in terms of season averages, the two players are VERY VERY close.
     
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    Regardless of whether he CAN do it, PER 36 is a projection of what he would do with 4 more minutes per game. Are you disagreeing with me about what PER 36 is?
     

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