OT NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player

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  1. riverman

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    If you look at Euro ball...I believe there is no 3 sec lane violation...so that rule keeps Rudy Gobert in the NBA from camping in the paint and swatting shot attempts away for a whole possession....is Rudy being penalized for being so tall to give Tim Frazier a fair chance at finishing at the rim or should Frazier learn to finish a shot with Gobert in his grill for 24 seconds? It's like saying....if you're not tall enough, too bad for you
     
  2. PtldPlatypus

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    And then the opposing team would still benefit from breaking the rule, because now the team with the poor FT shooter is forced to put a less effective player on the floor.

    Is there anywhere else in professional sports where a team can repeatedly violate a rule, continuously suffer the codified penalty for that violation, and be better off?
     
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    A player fouls out of a game because of the rules....maybe the intentional foul should have a penalty or limit on how many times you could do it before you intentionally foul out of the game...like getting two techs...you're outta there
     
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    Nice try. The 3 pointer was not invented for that. It was invented for higher scores and better floor spacing.

    That same 3 pointer helps big men put up numbers just as big.
     
  5. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    The team with the poor FT shooter SHOULD be forced to put a less effective player on the floor. That's the whole point. Don't enable incompetence and laziness by shielding poor free throw shooters just to make the game "more fun to watch."

    Intentional walks in baseball, taking a safety rather than trying to run the ball out of the end zone, conceding a point in ping pong by slamming the ball as hard as you can at your opponent's nuts...
     
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    advantage...smaller outside shooters..I disagree but it's all good. I want the intentional foul gone...have for ages but I've always been in the minority when it comes to this subject
     
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    Yet you want to enable incompetence and laziness by shielding poor defensive teams by allowing them to benefit from fouling.

    Baseball's a terrible comparison because it's the only game in which the defense holds the ball.
    Taking a safety gives the opponent points and the ball. Are you advocating for the same in basketball?
    Slamming a ping-pong ball at your opponents' nuts is more like Andre Miller running through Blake Griffin, foul be damned. Oh, that memory always makes me happy...
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    If the free throw shooters are even remotely competent, the "hack-a" strategy would hardly ever come into play, and there would be very little, if any, benefit from fouling.
     
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    The advantage is stopping the clock and gaining a possession whether they make them or not
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Trading more than about 1.25 points per two free throws for clock stoppage will usually help the free throw shooting team build an insurmountable lead. Trading about .75 points per two free throws for clock stoppage is (and should be) one heck of a good deal for the fouling team.
     
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    Moving in the 3-pt line? Maybe not the best example, since that didn't work out so well.
     
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    Hand checking is a foul. It's displacement of a player. It is contact that disrupts the player's rhythm, balance, speed or quickness.

    Move your feet on D.

    The 5 second back to the basket rule was created to stop players from posting up their man from way out on the 3point line (something Barkley used to do). Hence the Charles Barkley rule. That's an advantage disadvantage call.

    Stop trying to go through players instead of around them.
     
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    Not really a rule change.
     
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    I HATE intentional walk in baseball for the same reason...if you're a pitching ace you want the challenge of striking out a Barry Bonds and the fans don't want to see him walked everytime he's at bat
     
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    So rule changes are now advantage/disadvantage rather than player safety issues? Hand checking wasn't a foul before; it became one when the powers that be decided it was better for the game. Backing a player down from the three-point line was completely OK, until someone found a way to create an insurmountable advantage out of it. Hell, a good drop step is physical contact that creates an advantage; if Andre Drummond perfects an unstoppable drop step, should that suddenly become a foul too?

    Face it--rules change when the governing body decides it's better for the product. I get that you're a hoops conservative, but maybe you should try to think more progressively. :devilwink:
     
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    There's no question the 3pt rule was made to give small players a chance to be in the league.
     
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    If the NBA wants to eliminate hacking they ought to have a qualification standard for NBA players that they be able to make at least 60% of their foul shots.
     
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    Is it going to be referee discretion as to what is an intentional foul? That would suck. Or just any off the ball foul, like a guy trying to fight through a screen gets called for a foul and -- whoops -- the other team gets two shots (or whatever) and the ball to punish the intentional foul that wasn't?

    If they are going to try to discourage "intentional" fouling, I hope to god they tread lightly, and don't force the referee make a judgement call on when to invoke the penalty.
     
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    It's called 'strategy'. Baseball is all about strategy. Baseball would be of little interest without the strategy that goes into the game.
     
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    Team is down 3 runs in the third inning. Looks like rain. Pitcher walks a guy, then make pickoff throw after pickoff throw until it does rain, game called. The lead is wiped out, game rescheduled.

    Strategy?

    They don't do it out of some code of honor.
     
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