OT NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player

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  1. dviss1

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    Fair enough. My point still stands that it helps bigs just as much. It also opens up to court and falls in line with wanting basketball overall to be a freedom of movement game.
     
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    The data shows the pace of the game has slowed down. It doesn't seem that the court is opened up or is a freedom of movement game.

    When Jordan was playing, the players drove to the hoop and dunked a lot. Today, Thibodeau and his zone-like defense make that much more difficult. Even back then, when they didn't shoot so many 3pt shots, the trend was bigger SGs (Jordan), PGs (Magic, Pippen), and SFs. Guys at those positions used to be 6'4", 6'2", and 6'5".
     
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    The hand checking rule came before the NBA allowed zone defenses did it not?
     
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    In high school, our team ran a man defense that was effectively a zone. The only difference is nobody allowed in the lane for 3 seconds. Pressure the ball, deny the ball if your man is able to receive a pass, sag toward the lane otherwise.

    The championship Pistons ran a 2-3 zone above the FT line. Nobody was able to lob over it to defeat it because of the ability Ben and Sheed Wallace to cover the lane. The team was great at defense at all 5 spots and blocking the passing lanes.
     
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    Ok so don't answer my question. The NBA re instated zones in the 01-02 season. So "When Jordan was playing, the players drove to the hoop and dunked a lot" it was after the hand checking rule was changed in 94'.
     
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    Would this also apply to teams fouling to stop the clock at the end of games?
     
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    Not if my version were implemented.
     
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    The fact of the matter is it's letting poor free throw shooters off the hook when this rule is changed.
    There are Middle school & High school Teams that shoot better at the FT line than some NBA players.
    When this rule gets changed to stop allowing Hack-A it's going to reduce the skill level for NBA players.
    It won't matter if you've put the work in to become a good FT shooter.
    There are clear flaws in the form & release of a poor free throw shooter at any level of basketball.
    It shows either NBA teams have not put the effort into giving these players quality shooting coaches.
    Or it shows the poor FT shooters in the NBA don't care enough to figure out how to make a FT.

    I will forever be against any rule change that lessens the skill level required in basketball.
    I loved the change to the hand-checking rule above the FT line because it forces players to have a higher skill level to play defense. Rather than guide a player on the perimeter.
    I'd argue fouling a bad FT shooter is playing defense. You still have to get the defensive rebound on a poor FT shooter.
    Put the work in, become a good FT shooter.
    There have been big men in the NBA that have been great FT shooters. Or have had significant improvement in their FT % year after year.
    Blake Griffin for the Clippers improved, DJ hasn't.
    Joel Improved for the Blazers over his career because he put in the work.

    The answer is get more skilled, not look for a handout.
     
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    I did answer your question. You can play a man defense that looks like a zone and is effectively a zone. We were doing that in high school in the 1970s.

    Jordan dunked routinely, as did Pippen. I think Jordan dunked numerous times with all 5 celtics guarding him 5-on-1 in the '86 playoffs.

    I don't know where you get the idea that dunking started when the hand check rule was changed. If anything, teams are taking way more 3 pt shots.

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    Lot of valid points but when you state poor free throw shooting is form and coaching...missing free throws to me is 99% mental...how many times have you heard that Dwight Howard makes them in practice but can't under the bright lights. I also don't totally agree that it lets poor free throw shooters off the hook. They're still going to get fouled, just not intentionally. It's like saying a guy can't take a charge...doesn't have the skill, or can't dribble..well rounded players are premium value but reality is...even High School and Middle School teams have poor free throw shooters
     
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    The better the free throw shooter, the more likely the other team will try a different strategy.
     
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    That's a great point..I just want that to happen within the context of game play, not off the ball bear hugs at half court
     
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    I don't want the ref to have to determine what's intentional and what isn't. If there is going to be a rule adjustment, it should be the smallest least impactful thing they can think of to make it slightly less desirable to purposely foul shitty free throw shooters off the ball. Treat all off the ball fouls the same, either 3 to make 2 or take the ball out of bounds or something consistent.
     
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    Adam Silver is pretty much ruining the league.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Then sit the crappy free throw shooter. Simple.
     
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    I'd rather see a change where the players have one free throw attempt regardless of the foul. So an and1 free throw or technical is worth 1 point; standard foul free throw is worth 2 points and foul while shooting a three has a single three point free throw. They could go to single free throws in the final 2 minutes.

    It would significantly speed up the game and make free throws more important instead of something I fast forward through.
     
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    Agreed. I think all off-ball fouls when in the penalty - the fouled team should get the choice of 2 FTA or ball out of bounds. All on-ball fouls, they have to take the FTA.
     

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