NBA FINALS THREAD: Lakers vs. Celtics

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  1. The Dream

    The Dream mama there goes that man!

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I was calling out DREAM. He is overly critical of Bryant, yet he's lead by a player who can't get his team out of the first round.</div>

    overly critical?!?!?!?!?

    FACT: Kobe has underperformed, Kobe hasn't exploded on boston, Kobe has been getting outplayed by Pierce, Kobe dissapeared after the 1st quarter last night, the leader kobe contributed to giving up a 24 pt lead and a 19 point lead.....these are "all" fair criticisms, I have the games and stats to back them up........prove me wrong.

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    if this were dirk or tmac I'd be saying the "same" thing.......
     
  2. tremaine

    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    I think the Rockets are almost sure to get out of the 1st round next year, if Yao is back and they have no new major injuries.

    I guess my team is led by someone who can't get out of the first round too: C Anthony.

    Oh wait, Iverson is considered the sole captain and leader by Karl now.

    Oh wait, Karl's management is so wack, that Iverson is not really responsible either.

    But having said that, it's time for Melo Anthony to just say no to Karl and to start demanding that the Nuggets have a real PG be that Iverson or anyone else who is qualified. (It can't be a PG who is only real to Mr. Karl.) And its time for him to make sure he is officially and unofficially at least the co-captain of the Nuggets. And it's time for him to not listen to every little micromanagement demand that Karl throws at him. How much benefit did the Nuggets get, for example, from him following instructions to rebound more and shoot a little less. They got nothing to speak of from that.

    It's time for Anthony to declare his childhood over and to start to figure out what needs to be done and do it and not listen to Karl's incorrect (and inadequate if they were correct) micromanagement gambits. The Nuggets need more 3-point shooting including from Melo himself. They need J.R. Smith to start for both offense and defense reasons. They need a real PG. They need Nene and K-Mart to play at all costs. They need to learn how to defend the pick and roll and how to rotate much better in general. They need to stop leaving a gazillion 3-point shooters per game undefended.

    If Melo does not start working on these things, he's just spinning his wheels and wasting his time, something which (and how ironic is this holmes?) Karl himself mentioned Melo might be doing these days.
     
  3. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Kobe is struggling with his shot? Your point? He's playing with a torn tendon and some broken bones in his shooting hand. He can't control the impact that Odom and Gasol have on the game. He had a stellar game three, a good game 2, and overall a good series.

    With Kendrick Perkins out most likely, I expect Gasol to have another monster game.
     
  4. tremaine

    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    I think the Lakers and the old wise one (P Jackson) will pull out a game 6 squeaker, in regulation or OT, assuming Rondo's ankle is still a problem. Jackson is a far more experienced playoff coach than is Doc Rivers, and I have a hunch he will figure out a way to pull #6 out.

    Anyone have any details on Rondo's ankle?

    Then the Celtics will probably win game 7 by about 10 points; the Celtics machine is awesome even without Rondo at full. But the Rondo factor does give the Lakers a small possibility of shockingly taking the series.

    I'm definitely not going to miss game 6.
     
  5. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dream @ Jun 16 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I find the criticism of Kobe hilarious coming from a fan of a team whose leader has never been out of the 1st round.

    DREAM, did you forget Kobe in game 3?</div>

    what does tmac being cake have to do with kobe performing poorly in the last couple of finals he's been in““ And Huevon was referring to Game 2 (the 28 FT game) and Kobe didn't "explode" in that game....he was awful....He's had one good game this series.....one, that was far from "explosive"......There's a reason why people have been dogging him this series......
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    He was awful in game 2? Based on what exactly? Put the pipe down, what a joke.
     
  6. huevonkiller

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ Jun 16 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the Lakers and the old wise one (P Jackson) will pull out a game 6 squeaker, in regulation or OT, assuming Rondo's ankle is still a problem. Jackson is a far more experienced playoff coach than is Doc Rivers, and I have a hunch he will figure out a way to pull #6 out.

    Anyone have any details on Rondo's ankle?

    Then the Celtics will probably win game 7 by about 10 points; the Celtics machine is awesome even without Rondo at full. But the Rondo factor does give the Lakers a small possibility of shockingly taking the series.

    I'm definitely not going to miss game 6.</div>

    If it goes 7 I guarantee a historic choke job by the Celtics.
     
  7. pegs

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dream @ Jun 16 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I find the criticism of Kobe hilarious coming from a fan of a team whose leader has never been out of the 1st round.

    DREAM, did you forget Kobe in game 3?</div>

    what does tmac being cake have to do with kobe performing poorly in the last couple of finals he's been in???? And Huevon was referring to Game 2 (the 28 FT game) and Kobe didn't "explode" in that game....he was awful....He's had one good game this series.....one, that was far from "explosive"......There's a reason why people have been dogging him this series......
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    People always dog Kobe. What makes this series any different?

    KG has also played pretty poorly during this series. You don't see as many people dogging him, though.

    People just have a natural hatred for Kobe, and are naturally on KG's nuts.

    Also, I know this is vaguely irrelevant and stupid, but I find it funny that ESPN is all over Paul Peirce...even though Boston lost. Yeah. Don't pay any attention to Odom or Gasol, they didn't do anything special. Nope. Heh
     
  8. DynastYWarrioR6

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 16 2008, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dream @ Jun 16 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I find the criticism of Kobe hilarious coming from a fan of a team whose leader has never been out of the 1st round.

    DREAM, did you forget Kobe in game 3?</div>

    what does tmac being cake have to do with kobe performing poorly in the last couple of finals he's been in???? And Huevon was referring to Game 2 (the 28 FT game) and Kobe didn't "explode" in that game....he was awful....He's had one good game this series.....one, that was far from "explosive"......There's a reason why people have been dogging him this series......
    </div>

    People always dog Kobe. What makes this series any different?

    KG has also played pretty poorly during this series. You don't see as many people dogging him, though.

    People just have a natural hatred for Kobe, and are naturally on KG's nuts.

    Also, I know this is vaguely irrelevant and stupid, but I find it funny that ESPN is all over Paul Peirce...even though Boston lost. Yeah. Don't pay any attention to Odom or Gasol, they didn't do anything special. Nope. Heh
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    The only news ESPN will cover about the Lakers is that we're not going to be able to win, the whole "Too Late" idea. While everything about Boston is about how good of character they are and their poise and this and that. Not that I'm questioning any of it, just like...it's so one-sided but you know what...I prefer it this way.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe Bryant’s field-goal percentage has improved with each quarter in this series against the Celtics. He is shooting .379 from the field in the first, .412 in the second, .438 in the third and .452 in the fourth quarter.

    Paul Pierce is just 10-for-34 from the field in the first and fourth quarters of the NBA Finals (29.4 percent). He has, however, made 24 of his 41 field-goal attempts in the second and third quarters (58.5 percent), including 8-for-13 shooting from three-point range.</div>

    NBA.com: STATS

    Just thought this was interesting...you don't really notice these things while the game is on you know?
     
  9. Lavalamp

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 16 2008, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dream @ Jun 16 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I find the criticism of Kobe hilarious coming from a fan of a team whose leader has never been out of the 1st round.

    DREAM, did you forget Kobe in game 3?</div>

    what does tmac being cake have to do with kobe performing poorly in the last couple of finals he's been in““ And Huevon was referring to Game 2 (the 28 FT game) and Kobe didn't "explode" in that game....he was awful....He's had one good game this series.....one, that was far from "explosive"......There's a reason why people have been dogging him this series......
    </div>

    People always dog Kobe. What makes this series any different?

    KG has also played pretty poorly during this series. You don't see as many people dogging him, though.

    People just have a natural hatred for Kobe, and are naturally on KG's nuts.

    Also, I know this is vaguely irrelevant and stupid, but I find it funny that ESPN is all over Paul Peirce...even though Boston lost. Yeah. Don't pay any attention to Odom or Gasol, they didn't do anything special. Nope. Heh
    </div>

    People don't always dog Kobe. They weren't "dogging" Kobe in the Jazz or Nuggets series, because Kobe was playing well, like he did during the season. Kobe in the Finals, has played poorly, and will get criticism.

    It's the same with Dirk when he didn't step up to beat the Heat or the Warriors. People rightly criticised him, as he played a lot better during the season than what he did during those series.

    KG has played poorly this series, but 2 things are different. No one is saying KG is playing well against Gasol. As well people expect more from the current league MVP, and some people are defending Kobe's poor games.
     
  10. huevonkiller

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 16 2008, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 16 2008, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dream @ Jun 16 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I find the criticism of Kobe hilarious coming from a fan of a team whose leader has never been out of the 1st round.

    DREAM, did you forget Kobe in game 3?</div>

    what does tmac being cake have to do with kobe performing poorly in the last couple of finals he's been in?€œ?€œ And Huevon was referring to Game 2 (the 28 FT game) and Kobe didn't "explode" in that game....he was awful....He's had one good game this series.....one, that was far from "explosive"......There's a reason why people have been dogging him this series......
    </div>

    People always dog Kobe. What makes this series any different?

    KG has also played pretty poorly during this series. You don't see as many people dogging him, though.

    People just have a natural hatred for Kobe, and are naturally on KG's nuts.

    Also, I know this is vaguely irrelevant and stupid, but I find it funny that ESPN is all over Paul Peirce...even though Boston lost. Yeah. Don't pay any attention to Odom or Gasol, they didn't do anything special. Nope. Heh
    </div>

    People don't always dog Kobe. They weren't "dogging" Kobe in the Jazz or Nuggets series, because Kobe was playing well, like he did during the season. Kobe in the Finals, has played poorly, and will get criticism.

    It's the same with Dirk when he didn't step up to beat the Heat or the Warriors. People rightly criticised him, as he played a lot better during the season than what he did during those series.

    KG has played poorly this series, but 2 things are different. No one is saying KG is playing well against Gasol. As well people expect more from the current league MVP, and some people are defending Kobe's poor games.
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    Both the fans and critics exaggerate.
     
  11. Lavalamp

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    Some fans and media see Kobe through tinted glasses though, and even his poop is worth gold to them.
     
  12. Denny Crane

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    I really should be rooting for the Celtics, considering my Law Practice is Boston Legal.

    BTW, Jordan NEVER had a bad finals game.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 16 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BTW, Jordan NEVER had a bad finals game.</div>

    Posted by Astral:

    Game 4 vs. Seattle, 1996 (LOSS): 6-19 (.316), 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 23 points (11-13 FTs)
    Game 6 vs. Seattle, 1996 (WIN): 5-19, (.263), 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 22 points
    Game 5 vs. Utah, 1998 (LOSS), 9-26 (.346), 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 28 points

    "NEVER" is probably a little bit harsh
     
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    Must be rough when your worst game is 22 points 9 rebounds, 7 assists, or 28 points, 4/4.

    Do tell how those games were "bad."
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>BTW, Jordan NEVER had a bad finals game.</div>
    Biased much?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakerBlood @ Jun 16 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>BTW, Jordan NEVER had a bad finals game.</div>
    Biased much?
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    Me? Never.

    I consider myself a realist.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 16 2008, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Must be rough when your worst game is 22 points 9 rebounds, 7 assists, or 28 points, 4/4.

    Do tell how those games were "bad."</div>
    It's the shooting percentages. 32%, 26%, 35%
     
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    Your FG% is going to suffer sometimes when you get fouled enough to shoot 12 to 20 FTAs.

    .263 game he made 12 FT, right? 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals. Filled out the rest of the stat sheet in every other category.

    BTW, Kobe has these three games in THIS YEAR's finals:

    9-26, .346 24 pts, 6 assists
    6-19 .316 17 pts, 10 assists
    8-21 .281 25 pts, 4 assists
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 16 2008, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your FG% is going to suffer sometimes when you get fouled enough to shoot 12 to 20 FTAs.

    .263 game he made 12 FT, right? 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals. Filled out the rest of the stat sheet in every other category.

    BTW, Kobe has these three games in THIS YEAR's finals:

    9-26, .346 24 pts, 6 assists
    6-19 .316 17 pts, 10 assists
    8-21 .281 25 pts, 4 assists</div>

    Two more to go Denny, that's all I care about.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 16 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Some fans and media see Kobe through tinted glasses though, and even his poop is worth gold to them.</div>

    Seriously, I just addressed this.
     

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