<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Feb 15 2008, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 15 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WAIT A MINUTE. So Stern doesn't change the rules to let Amare and Diaw play when they clearly did nothing wrong; thereby pretty much giving the Championship to the Spurs. But...He'll **** with the Nets and the Mavs on a trade, and not let them do something perfectly legal with the rules of the NBA. <span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><u>BULL</u> <u>SHIT</u></span></div> theres still no official word from david stern , this is a "source" until then i reserve judgement and if its true im sure cuban is goin to fight it or at least stacks agent. Either way it looks more and more like KVH will have to be involved if this deal is to get done. If it wasnt for George the deal wouldve been done wed. on a side note the mavs r crazy if they think the nets r takin hassells contract, thorn will take a pass and just keep kidd for that matter </div> Hassell is due 4.35 this year 08-09 4.35 09-10 4.35 13 million over 3 years. It's a movable piece. Stack would have hit the cap for just two more years at about 5-6 million, depending on what Dallas was going to pay him. There's just the extra season of Hassell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Feb 15 2008, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mavs now offering Hassell and KVH.</div> The Nets are not taking back ****ing Hassell. </div> Hassell wouldn't be that big of a deal - the Stackhouse buyout would have been a similar cap number, I think. </div> Hassell clogs the roster. As Dumpy has posted 400 times they will already have 16 players under contract. I'm sure there is at least a deal in place to get rid of Magloire and possibly Boki, too. That's in addition to Wright.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Feb 15 2008, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hassell is due 4.35 this year 08-09 4.35 09-10 4.35 13 million over 3 years. It's a movable piece. Stack would have hit the cap for just two more years at about 5-6 million, depending on what Dallas was going to pay him. There's just the extra season of Hassell.</div> Both have 2 years left after this season. There is no extra season (for Hassell). -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't even get me started on how ****ing dumb Stackhouse and his dumb ****ing mouth are. God damn it.</div> Even so, it's not really Stackhouse's fault. There's no rule. </div> Seriously, how inept does the Mavs front office look right now? Any idiot could use ESPN's trade checker to see that George had a no-trade clause, but the Mavs decline to even call him ahead of time to check out whether it would work? And they don't call in the players before releasing this stuff to the media? Even if there's a leak, you deny everything, and make sure everyone else denies everything until the deal is done. That's just smart business. And someone should have told Stackhouse to shut his ****ing trap. Jesus H. Christ, this is Kevin McHale idiocy we're seeing here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't even get me started on how ****ing dumb Stackhouse and his dumb ****ing mouth are. God damn it.</div> Even so, it's not really Stackhouse's fault. There's no rule. </div> Seriously, how inept does the Mavs front office look right now? Any idiot could use ESPN's trade checker to see that George had a no-trade clause, but the Mavs decline to even call him ahead of time to check out whether it would work? And they don't call in the players before releasing this stuff to the media? Even if there's a leak, you deny everything, and make sure everyone else denies everything until the deal is done. That's just smart business. And someone should have told Stackhouse to shut his ****ing trap. Jesus H. Christ, this is Kevin McHale idiocy we're seeing here. </div> To be fair, George asked for a trade just a few weeks ago. -Petey
good point guys we can just buyout hassell with the 3 million we get from cuban and then he will rejoin them after the 30days lol its the same shitz only KVH's contract will be bigger to make up for the difference between stacks and hassels contract. mark cuban to moaning nba executives, "no biggie , nice try bitches lol"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Feb 15 2008, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mavs now offering Hassell and KVH.</div> The Nets are not taking back ****ing Hassell. </div> Hassell wouldn't be that big of a deal - the Stackhouse buyout would have been a similar cap number, I think. </div> Hassell clogs the roster. As Dumpy has posted 400 times they will already have 16 players under contract. I'm sure there is at least a deal in place to get rid of Magloire and possibly Boki, too. That's in addition to Wright. </div> Because of Harris & his PPP status, the Nets would be cutting tons of money and should be well below the luxury tax. I think they could actually cut Allen, Wright or Armstrong while taking on KVH, & Hassell w/o hitting the luxury tax. Anyone able to run the math? -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't even get me started on how ****ing dumb Stackhouse and his dumb ****ing mouth are. God damn it.</div> Even so, it's not really Stackhouse's fault. There's no rule. </div> Seriously, how inept does the Mavs front office look right now? Any idiot could use ESPN's trade checker to see that George had a no-trade clause, but the Mavs decline to even call him ahead of time to check out whether it would work? And they don't call in the players before releasing this stuff to the media? Even if there's a leak, you deny everything, and make sure everyone else denies everything until the deal is done. That's just smart business. And someone should have told Stackhouse to shut his ****ing trap. Jesus H. Christ, this is Kevin McHale idiocy we're seeing here. </div> To be fair, George asked for a trade just a few weeks ago. -Petey </div> That's why Dallas assured the Nets that he would not hold up the trade in any way. That's also why I don't care how mad Mark Cuban is (other than hoping he takes it out on George). It was his people that made a clusterfuck out of this. The Nets are now left with a mess to clean up that they did nothing to create.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To be fair, George asked for a trade just a few weeks ago. -Petey</div> I don't care if it's Kobe Bryant or DJ Mbenga, how do you not call the guy with the no-trade clause? There were only four people in the country (Cuban, Thorn, Stern and Geroge) who could stop the trade, and the Mavs managed to piss off two of them.
it doesnt matter hassell would just be bought out immediatly with the original 3million cuban was goin to send for stacks, for all we know the memphis deal is just pending on this deal to go thru first so both these deals might happen at the same time and we'll be left with 13 on the roster
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because of Harris & his PPP status, the Nets would be cutting tons of money and should be well below the luxury tax. I think they could actually cut Allen, Wright or Armstrong while taking on KVH, & Hassell w/o hitting the luxury tax. Anyone able to run the math? -Petey</div> It could make sense to still cut Allen, trade Wright along with Kidd and still take back the 2nd rounder and the trade exception. And, as for this season, I believe we had enough leg room to sign an extra player, so releasing Malik and trading for those guys wouldn't be too big of a deal. Are we still getting Diop back? We should, considering we'd have to take on Hassel's mildly shitty contract.
You know what? Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out. He should sue the NBA. I don't know enough about how this works, but I imagine the CBA is a legally binding document between the franchises, the players and the league. For Stern to change the rules halfway through the season without an owner's vote could be construed as a breach of contract, no? If not Cuban, the Player's Union absolutely has the right to fight this. This was an opportunity for Stackhouse to get more money and a paid vacation, and the league is blocking it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.</div> Month? The deadline is next Thursday.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 15 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 15 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"If Stackhouse had kept quiet, the league would not have been able to prove anything," a Western Conference executive said. The executive added that team owners have been calling commissioner David Stern to complain about the Stackhouse part of the deal, and that several GMs would have been incensed if he had allowed the trade -- and subsequent return of Stackhouse to Dallas -- to go through. "Every GM from a potential playoff team in the Western Conference is complaining about this,'' the executive said. "If the league allows this trade to go through, it'll have a major credibility issue on its hands. Our collective bargaining agreement's not worth anything if this goes through.''</div> WTF is this??!! Either it's a rule or it's not. Since it's not, any one of those clowns can (and would) do the exact same thing. </div> WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA GM's are bitching about this, so they're gonna prevent it from happening? OKAY. So how bout we take back the Gasol trade, give the Grizzlies Gasol back, and give the Lakers Kwame, Critt, and the draft picks back!! F***ing ridiculous. They're all a bunch of f***ing hypocrites. </div> Because the Gasol trade was legal... </div> So is what the Nets and Mavs are trying to do. If we're talking about ruining the integrity of the NBA, then how in the hell are they okay with LA sending trash for an All-Star? Hell, at least Dallas is sending two young players with realistic potential, who have actually proven themselves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 15 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.</div> Month? The deadline is next Thursday. </div> I think he was talking if the trade was to happen. He'd have a month to fight the league and find a way to be able to re-sign Stack.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 15 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't even get me started on how ****ing dumb Stackhouse and his dumb ****ing mouth are. God damn it.</div> Even Payton put on a dog and pony show. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Gary Payton was back in Celtics green Friday night, one week after Boston shipped him off to Atlanta in a trade for Antoine Walker. Payton, who re-signed with Boston on Friday after being waived by the Hawks, said he chose the Celtics over Sacramento and Phoenix. "I thought Boston was the better fit," Payton said before the Celtics faced Charlotte on Friday night. "With the young guys, I thought I was obligated to come back to them and teach them some more," he said. "The young kids were calling me almost every day saying 'come on back Gary.' I decided it was the right fit to come back here."</div> Link. Even so, it's not really Stackhouse's fault. There's no rule. </div> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...&id=2121672 <span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%">Ten nuggets in the new CBA</span> 1. Call this one the Gary Payton Rule: Players who are traded and then waived by their new team cannot sign back with the team that traded them for 30 days (20 days in the offseason). Payton, you'll recall, was dealt from Boston to Atlanta in the Antoine Walker trade-deadline swap in February, only to rejoin the Celtics three days later. Had this rule been in place last season, Payton still would have been eligible for the playoffs after Atlanta released him March 1, but he would have been forced to wait until March 31 to re-sign with Boston. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (article in first post)</div><div class='quotemain'>The 30-day rule was added to the league's collective bargaining agreement as a response to a trade between Boston and Atlanta in 2005. In that deal, Boston sent Gary Payton to Atlanta to reacquire Antoine Walker with the understanding that the Hawks would immediately waive Payton, who then re-signed with Boston three days later. The league frowned on this move, and instituted the 30-day rule. By flouting the rule so publicly, Stackhouse may have given the league no choice but to eliminate him from the deal or prevent the Mavericks from re-signing him. "If Stackhouse had kept quiet, the league would not have been able to prove anything," a Western Conference executive said. The executive added that team owners have been calling commissioner David Stern to complain about the Stackhouse part of the deal, and that several GMs would have been incensed if he had allowed the trade -- and subsequent return of Stackhouse to Dallas -- to go through. "Every GM from a potential playoff team in the Western Conference is complaining about this,'' the executive said. "If the league allows this trade to go through, it'll have a major credibility issue on its hands. Our collective bargaining agreement's not worth anything if this goes through.''</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 15 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.</div> Month? The deadline is next Thursday. </div> I mean, do the deal with Stackhouse, have the Nets buy him out immediately, and then stare down Stern for the 30 days till they are, under the rules of the CBA, allowed to re-sign him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 15 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 15 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Cuban's got shit tons of money, and a month to figure this out.</div> Month? The deadline is next Thursday. </div> I think he was talking if the trade was to happen. He'd have a month to fight the league and find a way to be able to re-sign Stack. </div> Oh, I see, but somehow I don't think Cuban wants to risk it.
