Well Iam not gonna dispute your rankings to much because its all opinion but I think having Gilbert Arenas & Cory Maggette as borderline franchise players is a bit strange to me cause they arent even close to being franchise players. Just cause you are the best player on a horrible team doesnt mean you are a franchise player or even, on a good team both those guys are 2nd options. On a championship contender they are probably 3rd options. They put up great stats but have little to no affect on a teams win/ lose record. Its a simple case of stat saturation, you play on a horrible team with little to no options, so there for you put up better indiviual stats. But that doesnt mean they are legit borderline franchise players. A franchise would never be a legit winner with Arenas or Magette as their best player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ludacris06:</div><div class="quote_post">Since you made a few mistakes, have you ever thought of recreating the list?</div> It's a possibility, but Allan Houston still won't be in it
A 6'6" guard can lock down Peja so long as he can keep up with him through all the screens. Not to mention Peja doesnt show up in the playoffs. Peja is barely shooting better than Houston and can only shoot with any effectiveness when he's wide open. Houston creates for himself a good deal of the time. It doesnt make sense for Peja who only shoots better by an insignificant margin, cant generate his own offense and chokes in the playoffs be ranked up there when Houston does generate his own offense and is a proven playoff performer. I dont think it's right. Arena's team did even worse than Houston's. Just like a couple of other players up there. I'm just trying to understand. Houston overall is a better player than Peja but you have Peja up there and not Houston. I think he was working on his dribble when he was plagued by injuries. Most guys who go through the surgery he went through are never the same again. Most notable: Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. He never had alot of time to rehab and the fact that he's even a shadow of his former self is an achievement all in itself. Houston really deserves to be up there. By the way everytime a team doesnt double team a player because their afraid of a three pointer shooter on the perimeter that three point shooter is making as much of an impact as a guy who rushes into traffic and breaks down the defense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">04-05 1. Garnett 2. Shaq 3. Duncan 4. Kobe 5. Jermaine 6. Tracy 7. Lebron 8. Yao 9. Nowitzki 10. Wade</div> Are you crazy? you must be a hater! how about this. 1. Duncan 2. Shaq 3. Kobe 4. Garnett 5. Tracy 152. V. Carter
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR_SAC_KING:</div><div class="quote_post">1.Kobe 2.T-Mac 3.Shaq 4.Lebron 5.Carmelo 6.Yao 7.Bibby 8.Duncan 9.Iverson 10.Norwitzki</div> You need to stop eating <font color="Red">*** ****.</font> you forgot to put a Zero behind Bibby 70. Bibby you can't built a team around Bibby. If you put Bruce Bowen or Artest on him Bibby is a princess. First of all your accusations are baseless It's unfortunate for a "want to be fan" to verbally attack a TWO time MVP and a TWO time NBA Champion and to put him that low. futhermore when Bibby has not even come close to winning anything. Please have the courtesy to change your so call rating. because everyone know that you are wrong. 1. Duncan 2. Shaq 3. Kobe 4. Garnett 5. Tracy <font size="1"> <font color="Red">Personal attacks & baiting are not allowed on this site. You need to read the site <u>guidelines</u> before you do anything else. ~Dre</font></font>
Allan Houston is 33 years old, he's not getting any better, at his best he was a 20-3-3 guy with mediocre defense, but a lights out shooter, but he's older now, just got off being injured, and I don't know what you expect people to say about him. Houston is a better ball handler and can create for himself better, Peja is a better rebounder [he's 6'10], just as good a shooter, they're both only okay passers, shoots a higher percentage [4% isn't an insignificant margin], is improving his defensive effort, is 6 years younger, and he turns the ball over less.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post"> Houston overall is a better player than Peja but you have Peja up there and not Houston.</div> They are very different types of players, offensively. Houston is exclusively a jump shooter. He doesn't cut to the basket for layups or close in shots. He does shoot more often off the dribble, but virtually never goes all the way to the basket. His effective field goal% on his jump shot was 50.1%, which is very good. Peja, on the other hand, is much more catch and shoot. He's masterful at moving without the ball in the Sacremento offense and catching and shooting or diving to the basket and recieving the ball for a quick layin. Is this a bad thing that he depends on his team's passing game to get his shots? I don't think so -- he uses it perfectly and is much more productive in that scheme. More of his jumpers are assisted (76% of them, compared to only 65% for Houston), and he shoots them with better accuracy (53.8 efg%). Overall, Peja is much better offensive player than Houston in my opinion. He doesn't create his own shots as often, but because he's so good at moving without the ball and getting open and he's much more productive in his team's offense than Houston is in the Knick's offense. Neither player, of course, gets many assists, though Peja is at least average for his position while Houston is way below average for a shooting guard. As far as other facets of the game, again neither player is stellar. Peja is average on the boards for his position, while Houston is a truly pitiful rebounder even for a 2-guard. And defensively they were both crummy last year, though I think Peja is less of a liability as a one-on-one defender against other forwards than Houston against other guards. The difference between the two players is the difference between a bonafide allstar and a one-dimensional starter. Those are only a couple better small forwards than Peja, whereas there's easily a dozen better shooting guards than Houston.
Well that makes sense. But if were talking about Peja running around picks, getting open and then blasting away I think the credit goes to Brad Miller, Vlade Divac and Chris Webber for setting good picks. Peja is better in the Kings system than Houston is in the Knick system but I dont think that's fair. Were talking about individual players here and how they do. Houston will probably even be better in the Kings system than Peja. Doesnt create his own shots often is an understatement! How about never. Again I say Houston's and Peja's mere prescence allows other players to do what they have to do without getting double teamed. That doesnt show up in the stat sheets. You also forgot to mention Peja chokes like no player I have ever seen before. He crumbles at the slightest inkling of pressure whereas Houston is proven. You cant just leave that part out. That last paragraph is the only thing you said that I actually agree with. Not too sure about a whole dozen when Allen Iverson who you no doubt have ahead of Houston has a disgusting shooting percentage like a couple of other shooting guards. In regards to the last thing you said though maybe next time the top fifty players should be done based by position. Top ten point guards, top ten shooting guards, top ten small forwards and so on and so forth. But the way it is now...Houston should be up there.
Allen Iverson also led the Sixers to the NBA Finals with a pretty mediocre team. Houston shoots better, but Iverson is a better rebounder, passer, and defender. Iverson being a better rebounder is one of the sadest parts about it. I think you're alone on this, people don't even put H20 in Allen Iverson [is PG now] and the other SG's level anymore, he just doesn't have anything else but shooting and scoring to his game, he's way too one dimensional. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Doesnt create his own shots often is an understatement! How about never.</div> I was watching the Kings and Mavs Thursday, and Peja was on top of the key one on one with JoshHoward, he did a few jabs, took a dribble, spun and shot and scored, I don't think anyone got credited for the assist.
ok Allan Houston is coming off the bench this year and never was anything more than shooter...there is absolutely no way he deserves in the top 50 maybe not even in the top 100 for that matter. Before his injuies sure he was top 25 but he is now old and way past his prime and coming off the bench in NY...you seem to be awful biased to your favorite player?
