NBA Trade Deadline: February 6

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What other Moves will be made?

Poll closed Feb 4, 2020.
  1. Whiteside is gone!

    31.2%
  2. Ariza gets moved....again

    2.6%
  3. Carmelo goes to a contender

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  4. Neil surprises everyone and trades CJ

    6.5%
  5. Small move around one of the TPE's

    24.7%
  6. Jack Squat

    35.1%
  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Get us Delon Wright instead of DFS, and I'm completely on-board.
     
  2. TBpup

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    Carroll's contract does fit nicely right into the Bazemore TPE. That said, I agree.....they would need to send a 2nd round pick or two along with him. Jody would have to be willing to go back into the Luxury Tax for a player who might help (Carroll can play D and hit a '3'....although he has shot horribly this year) and figure it is the cost of buying back a couple of 2nd round picks....for Neil to trade later.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    I didn't cuz I wanted more tax savings, but really not that hard to get him in there. Send our pick to SA, probably.

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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Trade chips... What top player have the Blazers acquired with an expiring contract?
     
  5. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    I’d take Carroll if the spurs took on mario. They’d also have to toss in a second.
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    Carroll is such a Neil AIM LOW type of move.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Just last year in BK, he was somewhat decent. What happened in SA? Anyone know?
     
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    If he can have an Ariza type impact why not. Plus he’s only got a small guarantee in ‘22 so we could theoretically package him in a trade next year for a bigger contract.

    Second unit could look something like

    CJ
    Trent
    Carroll/Nas
    Melo/Nas
    Whiteside
     
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  9. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    BBall ref has him at 7 mil in '22 (it's italic but doesn't say amount). What's the partial guarantee?
     
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    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    I think 1.5m

    edit: 1.3M
     
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    It's not nitpicking, I've discussed why already.

    Durant could've just signed with Brooklyn. GS had to include 2 1st round picks and dump Iggy just to take back Russell so Durant didn't leave for nothing. That's not anywhere near the situation with Whiteside this summer.

    Wright was a restricted free agent. Dallas offered to do a sign and trade to entice Memphis not to match. Again, Whiteside is not a restricted free agent and Dallas had cap space.

    The Kemba situation was a double sign-and-trade. This may in fact be possible with Whiteside this summer and if it works great but this was an extremely rare circumstance in which both teams wanted a free agent from the other team and both players also agreed to sign there as well. If Kemba wanted to sign somewhere other than Boston or Rozier somewhere other than Charlotte the deal would've been off. Boston did have cap space too so they didn't have to agree to the sign and trade.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Sweet. I'd still wanna send out something or get something in return though. The tax implications essentially would undo the savings we just got from the Baze/Ariza deal. Wonder how big of a deal it is for us get under this year if we can definitely get under next.
     
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    I'd like to know as well. The six seasons prior from '3', he shot:

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    .371
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    .390
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    He's got some 'dog' to him which I like.
     
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    ^^^^That is a whole LOT of "Success" right there. :twothumbs:
     
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    Can someone please tell us how much Whiteside is going to make next season? If it's $12 million or $20 million? The idea that the Blazers might trade both Whiteside and Ariza, who are anchoring our defense right now, is asking to be bit in the arse.
    If the goal is next season, you want the best defense for the whole season and the playoffs.

    If Zach Collins can't play 30 minutes at power forward, I would think about trading him for someone who can. I would rather trade Collins (with other players if necessary) for a very good power forward (just an example), rather than trade Whiteside making $12 million for a small forward then dumping Ariza. We just lose Ariza and Whiteside and don't gain much.
    My point is we don't know what Whiteside would make next season, or if trading Whiteside gets us the biggest net gain in a trade. I want a big improvement if that is possible.

    The idea that trading Whiteside would automatically get us the biggest net improvement for next season to me is wrong thinking. That's a lot of assumptions that may not be correct. And yes I am including the fact that Whiteside and Nurkic would probably not be able to play together. But, having the best possible defense is a goal. Big men foul out or get into foul trouble often. They get hurt. One hasn't played in almost a year.
     
  17. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    San Antonio signed Carroll to a 2 year deal and he proceeds to not even make the rotation. That tells me he's washed, a lot more washed then the Spurs thought when they signed them.
     
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    Carroll and Ariza are similar to Chief and Moe as they’re interchangeable defensively. But with better shooting, in theory.
     
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    It was his first time ever playing with LaMarcus. Coincidence?
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    What is the connection here? If you're making a dig at LMA, he's not the only player that is playing with LaMarcus for the first time this year.
     

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