<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Truemaster14":</div><div class="quote_post">is someone bitter because tmac is better than kobe.</div> Is that all you, as a TMAC fan, can come up with? Please! People people, please get your heads out of your asses, come up with a cogent, coherent, and maybe even PERSUASIVE arguement as to why TMAC is a better NBA basketball player (not some 1on1 street player) than Kobe Bryant!
Look back on this thread and you will see all my arguments..... I guess you can say I ran out. I have proved tmac is better at least 10 times.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Truemaster14":</div><div class="quote_post">Look back on this thread and you will see all my arguments..... I guess you can say I ran out. I have proved tmac is better at least 10 times.</div> Buddy, you have not proven a thing. You've argued futily, I'll give you that much. As others have asked, if Kobe and TMAC are neck and neck offensively, with TMAC having the edge, but with Kobe edging out TMAC defensively and with the intangibles like clutch-play, how can you so smugly conclude that TMAC is the better player. But if you want some quotes from some more reputable sources, here you go: "Need a refresher? Just go back to last May's conference semis. Bryant twice took over late in Games 3 and 4 against Tim Duncan and the Spurs, to lead the Lakers to two wins in San Antonio. Those two performances -- Bryant carried the Lakers, Shaq didn't -- effectively KO'd the Spurs. McGrady, meanwhile, has yet to get his team out of the first round. He hasn't even forced a decisive Game 5. He hasn't willed his team to victory, as Bryant has done several times in May and June. " - Mitch Lawrence, ESPN "There's no question about it," says McGrady. "It's Kobe and he's got three rings to prove it." - Tracy McGrady Even if you don't like what ESPN commentators say (and with good reason), I think that 2nd speaker holds some water in his statements, don't you?
sh!t... ionno if there is more debate over KG v TD or KB v Tmac... Im starting to think this one is winning out...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Truemaster14":</div><div class="quote_post">handles,shooting,3pt shooting,passing all better than kobe. passing may be even though</div> :roll: Tmac can shoot .6% better than Kobe. he can shoot the 3pt shot .3% better than Kobe. woohoo. let's celebrate because Tmac can shoot so much better than Kobe!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"There's no question about it," says McGrady. "It's Kobe and he's got three rings to prove it." - Tracy McGrady </div> Ok truemaster. You've told us to ask Kobe who is better since you think Kobe will say McGrady. Since you seem to want to take Kobe's word, will you take McGrady's word?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Truemaster14":</div><div class="quote_post">Look back on this thread and you will see all my arguments..... I guess you can say I ran out. I have proved tmac is better at least 10 times.</div> I think your biggest proof that McGrady is better is that you live in Orlando...
you just always accuse people of being bias and dismissing their opinionms just cause u disagree with them. its getting old
If you must judge me, then look at my previous posts to see my opinion. BTW, have you (who chooses T-Mac over Kobe and who doesn't consider Kobe a top-3 SG since you picked T-Mac, Pierce and AI over him in another topic) already answered this question? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "hartmanw":</div><div class="quote_post">As others have asked, if Kobe and TMAC are neck and neck offensively, with TMAC having the edge, but with Kobe edging out TMAC defensively and with the intangibles like clutch-play, how can you so smugly conclude that TMAC is the better player.</div> I'm still waiting... Normally, you are the first to answer -- even when you have nothing to say -- but now you remain silent. Is that because :shock: you don't know WHAT to say to this? :shock:
hmm...i still say that the rings are not that good of a measuring stick because winning a ring is a measurment of your teams success, not one individuals skill level. if it is...then jordan could have won 6 rings being surounded by wnba players. a championship is a team effort, not one players skill level. i honestly think they are about the same player. their games are so close, its hard to choose. i pick tmac just because i like him better.
uh......right. I think youre a little confused. hehe....I never have said "pierce and AI are better than Kobe" I have said that Tmac is better than Kobe and Pierce is closer than people give him credit for and i have a good point. Piercec had an off year this year. He was forced to carry the national team in the summer championships and was out of gas for numerous stretches in the regular season. He also had to put up with more defensive pressure than kobe or tmac because if u whatch the games you see he get HAMMERED every time he goes to the basket. other teams are comfoertable with it cause they know he wont get all the calls though he started to see some of the respect hes been earning in the playoffs this year and that should grow. excuses aside he clearly wasnt better than tmac OR kobe this year: Pierce: 25.9 ppg 7.3 rpg 4.4 apg .416fg% .302 3pt% hes never shot so low for fg or 3s and wont again. Tmac 32 ppg 6.5 rpg 5.5 apg 451 fg% 386 3pt% Kobe 30.0 ppg 6.9 rpg 5.9 apg. (not as good as McGradys assits considereing both of their respective supporting casts) .383 3pt% .451 fg% I think Tmacs numbers are clearly better. hes a better passer and better rebounder if you whatch them play and most agree hes a better scorer. but look at last year which was a better indicator when considering Pierce .442 fg% .404 3pt% 6.90 rpg 3.2 apg 1.88 stl 26.1 ppg Tmac 7.90 rpg 5.3apg 1.57stl 25.6 ppg 364 3pt% Kobe 25.2 ppg 5.50 rpg 5.3 apg 1.48 stl .250 3pt% how can you tell me Pierce isnt up there with them in those stats and Pierce that year was just as clutch as kobe. Theres plenty reason to expect Pierce to take the kind of step up next year htat kobe and tmac took this year. and incorporate the well rounded versatile passing and rebounding game he developed this year whne his shooting faltered (hed only once shot below .400 for 3). hes also underrted defeseivley. and Tmac still looks better than kobe. im not a stathead but I do whatch them both play a lot i think if you whatch the games its not too too hard to see that the three of them are all close but tmac narrowly emerges as the best one if you aren convinced by the stats. *wow...that shut him up*
Kobe average more assists than T-Mac, yet you clowns still think T-Mac is the better passer? I guess by that logic Kobe is a better scorer than Tmac since he does average 2 points less then, Huh.
OSF I think you would make a horrible data analyzer. You gave us stats and you can see them with your own eyes yet you were brash enough to say that TMAC's stats are clearly better. This is mind-boggling the things you come up with: Let me put your stats in a better format: TMAC KOBE PPG 32 30 rpg 6.5 6.9 apg 5.5 5.9 fg% 45.1 45.1 3p% 38.6 38.3 So um...where's the huge discrepancy in statistics? Tmac beats or ties kobe in 3 of 5 categories. To explain this more clearly, that means Kobe beats or ties him in 3 of 5 categories as well. And as for supporting cast -- Is Kobe's supporting cast that great? Aside from Shaq I think it is pretty unanimous that the Laker starters would be benched on many other teams. The fact that Kobe is a 2nd, albeit close 2nd, option on the Lakers, and manages to jack up 30 a game and dish out that many assists to the likes of Samaki Walker and company, I would say that's pretty good. I would not like to bring Paul Pierce into this comparison because that would just complicate things. I have opinions on that as well, but not in this thread. Having rings DOES matter, or else players would not chase it. If you had 2 equal players who retired at the same time, but one got a ring and the other didn't, then that would be one discrepancy that stand out. This is not hard to understand. And again, I think it is unanimous that Kobe edges out TMac in both defensive ability and clutch ability. One more thing: Kobe plays in the Western Conference -- no explanation needed there. So...I dunno, where did your logic go?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Buddy, you have not proven a thing. You've argued futily, I'll give you that much. As others have asked, if Kobe and TMAC are neck and neck offensively, with TMAC having the edge, but with Kobe edging out TMAC defensively and with the intangibles like clutch-play, how can you so smugly conclude that TMAC is the better player. </div> first of all tmac is better offensively, and second of all tmac has more skills than kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "slamduncan21":</div><div class="quote_post"><div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Truemaster14":</div><div class="quote_post">handles,shooting,3pt shooting,passing all better than kobe. passing may be even though</div> :roll: Tmac can shoot .6% better than Kobe. he can shoot the 3pt shot .3% better than Kobe. woohoo. let's celebrate because Tmac can shoot so much better than Kobe!!</div> when your talking about shooting you dont bring in there percenteges, and everyone knows tmac is a better shooter than kobe. Tmac has more skills than kobe. FACE IT
quote="Truemaster14"]<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "slamduncan21":</div><div class="quote_post"><div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Truemaster14":</div><div class="quote_post">handles,shooting,3pt shooting,passing all better than kobe. passing may be even though</div> :roll: Tmac can shoot .6% better than Kobe. he can shoot the 3pt shot .3% better than Kobe. woohoo. let's celebrate because Tmac can shoot so much better than Kobe!!</div> when your talking about shooting you dont bring in there percenteges, and everyone knows tmac is a better shooter than kobe. Tmac has more skills than kobe. FACE IT[/quote] talking like a mcgrady fanatic.. and why is this still going on?
