<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Now who isn't reading!?!?! Re-read what I said. I basically said that I was going to bite my tongue because personal attacks are not allowed. I was refraining from writing what I was thinking. Now who is the one with their head in the clouds?</div> Hey brah,write all you want. Talk all the sh!t you want about me,I don't really care. If a conversation with someone makes you want to resort to a personal attack then go ahead.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">What makes weed more unethical than alcohol? the fact that it's illegal...that's it</div>What makes alcohol infinitely more detremental to society than weed? the fact that people die from people under the influence of it everyday. It makes absolutely no sense to me that weed is illegal while alcohol can be had at your local liquor store for a couple bucks. Drunk driving is an epidemic. The NBA is wasting thier time worrying about who's smoking weed when they should be focused on the more serious issue of alcohol abuse and drunk driving. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">My point was that if an employee is willing to participate in illegal behavior at home, then it is highly probable that they won't be afraid to do something illegal at the work place (i.e. steal things, lie etc etc). People who tend to follow rules and laws at home are more likely to do so at the workplace... a follower is a follower, a rebel is a rebel....</div>Yeah, im sure those blue collor guys at Enron were huge potheads <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I ain't gonna lie. I blaze. I smoke weed,does that make me a bad person? Unethical? I don't smoke weed at work nor do I smoke weed anywhere other than my on home.....Just because ya smoke weed doesn't lesson the type of person ya are. If someone likes to drink beer does it make 'em a bad person? Some ya'll cats need to get your head out of the clouds..there is alot more that needs to be focused on other than weed.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Weed is no worse than drinkin' alcohol and gettin' drunk.</div>matter of fact, alcohol is worse <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">But regardless because someone smokes weed it doesn't make them a bad person...</div>exactly. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">I have a lot of friends who use illegal substances, and most of them are good people so I get what you're saying...I'm just trying to show the employers point of view...</div>I hear you, and at the same time, I'm trying to show the logical point of view. And logic will tell you that alcohol is a problem that's out of control and causes more pain and death in this country than weed ever has or probably ever will. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said that you smoke it all the time, but really, how old are you? There is a certain point where a MAN needs to leave his teenage years and start acting like an adult.</div>smoking weed is not a "teenage" thing to do. Matter of fact, while teenagers do smoke, it's the adults who make up the majority of weed smokers. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Who cares if there are things worse than weed</div>it's that attitude that shows how rediculous we as a society can be. Why is it we can/will penalize a guy for smoking weed in the comforts of his own home, not hurting anyone, while the guy who goes out and gets drunk every night, comes to work in a bad mood cause he's prolly got a hangover gets a high 5 cause he's not doing anything illegal? He may hide his attitude from his superiors and do enough to get by, but none the less, his legal hobby of getting drunk has far more of an impact on the quality of which he does his job versus the occasional weed smoker. Yet if both had to take a drug test, the guy w/weed in his system is on his way to the unemployment line while the drunk gets to drink another day away. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post"> why would somebody wanna put that stuff in they body anyways, knowing the long-term effects of it?</div>and what would those long term effects be? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">The only exception should be if they're coming to practice, or playing in a game high, cuz then they just being irresponsible.</div>exactly what I said previously. coming to work under the influence SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED AT ALL. But if a guy wants to blaze at home, after work, let him, he shouldn't be fired/suspended or otherwise for it <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post"> What some people (Big Nasty) are failing to realize is that the NBA punishes players for alcohol use as well.</div>the NBA doesn't punish a guy for going out and drinking, then driving home/to the hotel. They only get fined if their alcohol abuse becomes an issue w/their performance or if they get a DUI. Why can't the rules be the same for weed? Especially considering that alcohol is commonly fatal when abused. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">This thread has completely lost it's focus because some people (Big Nasty) are trying to make this into a real world issue.</div>It is a real world issue. When you get a real job, most places have random drug testing
Just for the record, I don't believe that smoking pot makes you a bad person. Some of my best friends smoke pot. But also for the record, pot renders its users less able to function, not functionless. There's a big difference. Just becuase you can get by, or even excel, despite using pot, doesn't mean that you wouldn't be doing better by not using pot. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">That's enough to render your guys' arguments invalid.</div> No, no it isn't. If you really believe that, you're sorely mistaken. Rasheed might be one of the best at his position(though he's not all-star caliber), but that doesn't mean he couldn't be better. Coming out of college, many though he'd be one of the top 5 at his position, but he has yet to reach that grandiose prediction. Who's to say that Rasheed couldn't have been a KG-like 20-10 monster? No one. My basic point is that, just because pot isn't as bad as some hardcore drugs doesn't mean that the league should look the other way when it comes to its use.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">What makes alcohol infinitely more detremental to society than weed? the fact that people die from people under the influence of it everyday. It makes absolutely no sense to me that weed is illegal while alcohol can be had at your local liquor store for a couple bucks. Drunk driving is an epidemic. The NBA is wasting thier time worrying about who's smoking weed when they should be focused on the more serious issue of alcohol abuse and drunk driving. </div> I never said weed was worse than alcohol...my point was that employers considered weed more unethical because it is illegal...whether it should or shouldn't be illegal is a whole other issue...you get what I'm trying to say?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> it's that attitude that shows how rediculous we as a society can be. Why is it we can/will penalize a guy for smoking weed in the comforts of his own home, not hurting anyone, while the guy who goes out and gets drunk every night, comes to work in a bad mood cause he's prolly got a hangover gets a high 5 cause he's not doing anything illegal? He may hide his attitude from his superiors and do enough to get by, but none the less, his legal hobby of getting drunk has far more of an impact on the quality of which he does his job versus the occasional weed smoker. Yet if both had to take a drug test, the guy w/weed in his system is on his way to the unemployment line while the drunk gets to drink another day away.</div> You completely missed my point. My point is that he was justifying his smoking by saying that he could be out doing worse things instead. I.E. "Who cares if I steal cars? That's not as bad as killing someone. So stop judging me, I'm not a bad person!" That mentality is ridiculous.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">You completely missed my point. My point is that he was justifying his smoking by saying that he could be out doing worse things instead. I.E. "Who cares if I steal cars? That's not as bad as killing someone. So stop judging me, I'm not a bad person!" That mentality is ridiculous.</div> Who said that????? I said there are worse things going on in the world,and things needing more attention than people who smoke weed. It's ridiculous the amount of money thats spent to 'stop' people from using weed,yet we got people starvin' in the streets.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">It's ridiculous the amount of money thats spent to 'stop' people from using weed,yet we got people starvin' in the streets.</div> LOL!!!!! You think it's ridiculous when people spend money trying to stop weed while there are people starving on the streets? Yet you go and spend money ON weed while there are people starving on the streets. Then you complain that people are wasting money while there are people starving? LOL.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Who said that?????</div> You did, multiple times. But here is just one example: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact is their are alot of worse things on this earth than weed. It is very very hypocritical for alcohol to be legal and weed illegal,there needs to be parity. If one is bad so is the other.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL!!!!! You think it's ridiculous when people spend money trying to stop weed while there are people starving on the streets? Yet you go and spend money ON weed while there are people starving on the streets. Then you complain that people are wasting money while there are people starving? LOL.</div> Yes it is ridiculous. The government spends alot of money enforcing laws like that,yet they can't spend money to help someone out in the street? It's ridiculous..a mountain is made out of a molehill. For your information I donate time and money every month to the meals on wheels and soup kitchen program..I think I more than do my part. At anyrate I feel,and have always felt,that too much emphasis is put on weed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">You did, multiple times. But here is just one example:</div> You must not be able to read very well,either that or you see things way differently. Did I say weed is good because I could be out shooting heroin or robbing a bank? NO. Nowhere did I make the claim that we should leave people alone because they could be involved in somethin' worse. Don't get it twisted. Anyway,whatever man,I'm done with this topic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes it is ridiculous. The government spends alot of money enforcing laws like that,yet they can't spend money to help someone out in the street? It's ridiculous..a mountain is made out of a molehill. For your information I donate time and money every month to the meals on wheels and soup kitchen program..I think I more than do my part. At anyrate I feel,and have always felt,that too much emphasis is put on weed.</div> So now your volunteering time justifies it? You have to be intelligent enough to realize that no matter how much time you volunteer, there are much better ways you could be spending your money than to be doing so on drugs. The government spends more money aiding others that it does enforcing weed laws. Come on, you know better. I am in no way an advocate for the government, but to say that they spend more money enforcing weed laws than they do aiding other countries, and on welfare, medicare, etc is absurd. You are just trying to defend your habit, and consequently spewing nonsense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said weed was worse than alcohol...my point was that employers considered weed more unethical because it is illegal...whether it should or shouldn't be illegal is a whole other issue...you get what I'm trying to say?</div>Yeah, I hear you. I just feel very strongly about this issue and was kinda ranting. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">You completely missed my point. My point is that he was justifying his smoking by saying that he could be out doing worse things instead. I.E. "Who cares if I steal cars? That's not as bad as killing someone. So stop judging me, I'm not a bad person!" That mentality is ridiculous.</div>No, I got your point. I don't think he was trying to justify why he smokes though. He was just saying that, like me, he feels that the focus on weed is rediculous when alcohol is way more detremental to the health and well being of hundreds of thousands of people yearly. Not one death has been recorded due to overconsumption of weed, can't say the same for alcohol.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">So now your volunteering time justifies it? You have to be intelligent enough to realize that no matter how much time you volunteer, there are much better ways you could be spending your money than to be doing so on drugs. The government spends more money aiding others that it does enforcing weed laws. Come on, you know better. I am in no way an advocate for the government, but to say that they spend more money enforcing weed laws than they do aiding other countries, and on welfare, medicare, etc is absurd. You are just trying to defend your habit, and consequently spewing nonsense.</div> you are using the same red herring argument he used before... just because the government may spend more in social programs does not mean the amount of money spent on the war on drugs is justified. half of the penal population right now is in jail for drug-related crimes, and a significant percentage of those is for non-violent crimes such as posession. i agree with big nasty to the point that is hypocritical to criminalize weed while alcohol is legal. alcoholics are considered addicts that need help while drug users are criminals. i think i'm a bit older than many of you, and i've been working for a while longer... i've yet to see someone impaired to perform because of weed, but i've seen plenty of ppl get drunk (and i work in advertising, where ppl light up a lot)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">So now your volunteering time justifies it? You have to be intelligent enough to realize that no matter how much time you volunteer, there are much better ways you could be spending your money than to be doing so on drugs. The government spends more money aiding others that it does enforcing weed laws. Come on, you know better. I am in no way an advocate for the government, but to say that they spend more money enforcing weed laws than they do aiding other countries, and on welfare, medicare, etc is absurd. You are just trying to defend your habit, and consequently spewing nonsense.</div> You the one that needs to quit putting words in other's mouths. Nowhere in anything I posted said any of this. I was just stating that I don't just complain about something I get out and do somethin' about it. And if you had read,I never said the Gov't spent more money on weed than other stuff..I said they put too muich emphasis on stupid things like that when other problems are more glaring and as for welfare we both know that lots of people don't deserve to receive it.... Anyways,if you can't take what I say at face value then there is no need to debate with you. You totally twist what I say to make it fit into your little stereotype of who you think I am.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">i agree with big nasty to the point that is hypocritical to criminalize weed while alcohol is legal. alcoholics are considered addicts that need help while drug users are criminals. i think i'm a bit older than many of you, and i've been working for a while longer... i've yet to see someone impaired to perform because of weed, but i've seen plenty of ppl get drunk (and i work in advertising, where ppl light up a lot)</div>that's what im talkin' about!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">you are using the same red herring argument he used before... just because the government may spend more in social programs does not mean the amount of money spent on the war on drugs is justified. </div> I never said that it was justified. I just said that the government spends more on the welfare of others than they do on enforcing drug laws. Think about it. The gov't could help the less fortunate (the disabled, those with bad luck, single mothers, etc) by giving them money. Or, the gov't could spend money to stop drugs. Then when they catch people doing drugs, they throw them in jail, and then tax payers money goes to keeping these criminals alive. Which is more logical? Clearly helping people.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">And if you had read,I never said the Gov't spent more money on weed than other stuff.</div> Umm yes you did. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The government spends alot of money enforcing laws like that,yet they can't spend money to help someone out in the street? </div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Umm yes you did. </div>dude, who are you to talk anyway, your avatar depicts a player who has had quite a few run ins w/the law for his weed smoking habit, including an incident where a large quantity of weed was found in his home. Funny how you are judging big nasty for his weed smoking ways, yet hold mr.mighty mouse in high regards obviously. And you list Sheed as your favorite player and he's known to blaze too, please explain.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">dude, who are you to talk anyway, your avatar depicts a player who has had quite a few run ins w/the law for his weed smoking habit, including an incident where a large quantity of weed was found in his home. Funny how you are judging big nasty for his weed smoking ways, yet hold mr.mighty mouse in high regards obviously. And you list Sheed as your favorite player and he's known to blaze too, please explain.</div> Haha, please explain when I have ever said that their smoking weed was okay? Besides, who picks their favorite player/team based on that kind of stuff? Kobe still has just as many fans as he did before. Stop acting silly.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said that it was justified. I just said that the government spends more on the welfare of others than they do on enforcing drug laws. Think about it. The gov't could help the less fortunate (the disabled, those with bad luck, single mothers, etc) by giving them money. Or, the gov't could spend money to stop drugs. Then when they catch people doing drugs, they throw them in jail, and then tax payers money goes to keeping these criminals alive. Which is more logical? Clearly helping people.</div> isn't that the same as big nasty's position? that the money spent on jailing potheads would be better spent on the less fortunate? i think the peception has to change from "drug users are criminals" to "drug users, if addicted, need help". do away with mandatory sentencing, et al. penalize high-scale trafficking and of course the violent crimes associated with the drug use, but not the individual user. there was a time in this country where drug use (opiates) were not illegal, but alcohol was made illegal -prohibition- and all it brought was organized crime. but we don't learn. take away consensual crimes (gambling, prostitution, drug use) and crime will go down. but staying on topic and the nba -as a private business, the league has the right to enforce whatever behavior they want to enforce. but it is hypocritical nonetheless. there have been more players who killed ppl or themselves while drunk than while high, but hey, they sell a ton of beer in arenas, so that wouldn't be good for business.
