<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">isn't that the same as big nasty's position? that the money spent on jailing potheads would be better spent on the less fortunate?</div> Let me explain once again. I find it ironic (and hypocritical) that he would complain about money being wasted, while he goes and wastes money on weed. He said that it is silly for the gov't to try and stop drug problems while there are people starving. Yet at the same time he goes out and participates in the drug issues that the government tries to stop. Then he complains that the government is wasting money on something that he is a part of, in addition to wasting money himself on the drugs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha, please explain when I have ever said that their smoking weed was okay? Besides, who picks their favorite player/team based on that kind of stuff? Kobe still has just as many fans as he did before. Stop acting silly.</div>I never said you thought thier smoking was ok, but you must not have much of an issue with it, which baffles me as to why you're giving big nasty such a hard time about it. I don't know about mighty mouse, but Sheed has kids. and not only does he smoke weed, but he acts like a damn idiot far too often. You are damn near vasectimizing big nasty for his habit, yet you idolize two guys who have the same habit. Kinda ironic wouldn't ya say? And who cares about Kobe, don't try to shift the attention to other, irrelevant issues. You been drinking? You seem to have a hard time keeping focused
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post"> yet you idolize two guys who have the same habit. Kinda ironic wouldn't ya say?</div>I love it! Having a player in my avatar means that I am idolizing him? Thanks for the laugh, you just made my day! Please explain how I have idolized either of these players in any way (I'm wearing a Sheed throwback right now actually. I guess that means I'm idolizing him!) I don't act like either of those fools. I love the team and their game. The Kobe issue wasn't shifting focus, you just didn't get the point. When someone finds out that their favorite player is less than perfect (go figure) they aren't going to stop liking them. Yes I am judging Big Nasty for the same things that Sheed and Mouse do, but there is a difference. I respect Sheed and Mouse for their game. I have no reason to respect Big Nasty (he might be a great guy, but I don't know that). Thus, I judge him based on what I know. Once I am proven wrong, I would put him in the same regard as my fav players, but until then I won't. Comprende?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">I love it! Yes I am judging Big Nasty for the same things that Sheed and Mouse do, but there is a difference. I respect Sheed and Mouse for their game. I have no reason to respect Big Nasty (he might be a great guy, but I don't know that). Thus, I judge him based on what I know. Once I am proven wrong, I would put him in the same regard as my fav players, but until then I won't. Comprende?</div> Why would you want to judge Big Nasty in the first place? You said this yourself, you have no reason to respect Big Nasty, actually I'm wondering why would you have to have a reason to respect someone? Someone either respects or disrespects another, there is no such thing as "in between". The fact that you don't respect him means you disrespect him? Why do you disrespect him? Because you don't like him? Why don't you like him? Because you're having a great argument with him and for some reason you just don't feel comfortable about whatever you were saying to him? Why don't you feel comfortable about what you were saying man? Because you realize some of what you said might have been a little too far? I don't agree with Big's stuff, but whatever he does, it's his business, if you wanted to make a suggestion that it's gonna impact negatively -big or small- on his daughter, present it nicely and politely. You're presenting everything as if you know everything and he doesn't know a thing. Never judge people whatever they do... maybe you know better than the next person but it still doesn't give you the right to judge him or her. Judge yourself, it's your business and noone cares!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fishball:</div><div class="quote_post">Someone either respects or disrespects another, there is no such thing as "in between". The fact that you don't respect him means you disrespect him? </div> Actually, I believe the "in-between" as far as respect goes is just not giving a damn about the person in any way.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fishball:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would you want to judge Big Nasty in the first place? You said this yourself, you have no reason to respect Big Nasty, actually I'm wondering why would you have to have a reason to respect someone? Someone either respects or disrespects another, there is no such thing as "in between".</div> So you can honestly say that you don't have an opinion of anyone here? We all judge each other, it's human nature. So you're telling me that you see a guy on the street, and you automatically with respect him or disrespect him? Based on what? There has to be an inbetween, or else we'd judge people on sight. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You're presenting everything as if you know everything and he doesn't know a thing.</div> I guess I succeeded then, because that is what you are supposed to do in a debate. Why would I compliment his strengths while I'm arguing with him (or anyone)? That would only fuel their flame. I can't wait to be a lawyer .
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ANiMuS:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, I believe the "in-between" as far as respect goes is just not giving a damn about the person in any way.</div> you... may be right... but in their case, trail blazer must give a damn about big nasty, so if it's not "respect" and "in-between", it's gotta be "disrespect". respect everybody because they are potential friends for you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fishball:</div><div class="quote_post">respect everybody because they are potential friends for you.</div> Can we finger-paint now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">So you can honestly say that you don't have an opinion of anyone here? We all judge each other, it's human nature. So you're telling me that you see a guy on the street, and you automatically with respect him or disrespect him? Based on what? There has to be an inbetween, or else we'd judge people on sight. I guess I succeeded then, because that is what you are supposed to do in a debate. Why would I compliment his strengths while I'm arguing with him (or anyone)? That would only fuel their flame. I can't wait to be a lawyer .</div> Yes, there's such thing "inbetween" but you still shouldn't judge man, it's not good for your health You succeed in what? In showing everybody and him that you know better than him? So, in order for you to win an argument, you will go about showing your face to people and show that you're better than your opponent? This is not politic or any more heavyweights talk man, it's just a daily conversation about drugs in NBA, you're just wearing a rasheed wallace jersey not a lawyer blazer you know. You're truly an arrogant person, you know that? You gotta go look yourself at the mirror more my friend, for your sake.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fishball:</div><div class="quote_post"><u>You're truly an arrogant person</u>, you know that?</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fishball:</div><div class="quote_post">you still shouldn't judge man, <u>it's not good for your health</u></div> LOL, see a doctor, hypocrite.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL, see a doctor, hypocrite.</div> geezzz i forgot my own lines, it's all because of you! You did it too much and it's contagious!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Having a player in my avatar means that I am idolizing him?</div>idolizing them, holding them in high regards, my point remains the same. The only reason you are rippin' on Big Nasty is cause he smokes weed, you obviously don't respect him cause "there comes a time when a man must get past his teenage days" (or something to that effect). So if you can look past the fact that Stoudamire and Wallace obviously love the wacky tabacky, then your argument should be "so long as you have qualities I like, the weed smoking thing won't be an issue" instead of getting up on your soapbox and acting like you feel so strongly about it <div class="quote_poster">Quoting trail_blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Please explain how I have idolized either of these players in any way (I'm wearing a Sheed throwback right now actually. I guess that means I'm idolizing him!)</div>by having a sheed jeresey, sheed as your favorite player, mighty mouse as your avatar, and no telling what else, you admire these guys excessively. And since you're such a smart guy, you know thats tantamount to idolizing them. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting trail_blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't act like either of those fools. I love the team and their game.</div>you don't need to act like someone to idolize them, but you know that already cause you know everything right? You admire them for their on-court abilities, that's cool, they're good players. But you don't hold them to the same standard you have for, specifically, Big Nasty. If that were the case, you wouldn't admire them so much cause you'd have no respect for them as you don't Big Nasty, simply for thier habit of weed smoking. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting trail_blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes I am judging Big Nasty for the same things that Sheed and Mouse do, but there is a difference. I respect Sheed and Mouse for their game. I have no reason to respect Big Nasty (he might be a great guy, but I don't know that). </div>You also have no reason to disrespect him either cause it's obvious you don't feel as strongly as you pretend to about the issue of weed smoking. You only feel strong about it if you don't like the person, other than that, it's all good. Make up your mind bro, either you're cool with it or not, as is now, you're a walking contradiction.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">by having a sheed jeresey, sheed as your favorite player, mighty mouse as your avatar, and no telling what else, you admire these guys excessively. And since you're such a smart guy, you know thats tantamount to idolizing them.</div> How is that excessive in any way? A lot people have jersey of their favorite players and clothing repping their favorite team. Once again, I admire their ability to play, not the things that they choose to do in their personal lives. You're an AI fan, so you know all about how that works. Or would you lock a woman out of the house naked too? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You admire them for their on-court abilities, that's cool, they're good players. But you don't hold them to the same standard you have for, specifically, Big Nasty.</div> What society have you been a part of? Have we ever held athletes in the same regard as regular people? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You also have no reason to disrespect him either cause it's obvious you don't feel as strongly as you pretend to about the issue of weed smoking.</div> How do you know how I feel? Yes I've had friends who smoke weed, but they were also smart enough not to do it their house where their kids were, and were smart enough to give up many bad habits when they found out that they would be parents. I don't dislike him, I dislike his choices. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">you're a walking contradiction.</div> Kind of like an Iverson fan pointing out the off-court faults of other players right? How have I said anything contraditctory?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess I succeeded then, because that is what you are supposed to do in a debate. Why would I compliment his strengths while I'm arguing with him (or anyone)? That would only fuel their flame. I can't wait to be a lawyer .</div> lol, that's so naive. when and if you become a lawyer, you are going to learn that the best lawyers don't seek to destroy their opponents, they want to reach a favorable result. many times that's achieved through compromise, which you are more apt to get by reaching out to your opponent than by antagonizing him. the best lawyer is the one who settles a case quickly so that his client spends as little money as possible while achieving a satisfactory result. for one thing, you'll find out that judges HATE adversary practices and they'll make you pay for it. stop watching tv, the lawyer shows do not reflect reality.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">lol, that's so naive. when and if you become a lawyer, you are going to learn that the best lawyers don't seek to destroy their opponents, they want to reach a favorable result. many times that's achieved through compromise, which you are more apt to get by reaching out to your opponent than by antagonizing him. the best lawyer is the one who settles a case quickly so that his client spends as little money as possible while achieving a satisfactory result. for one thing, you'll find out that judges HATE adversary practices and they'll make you pay for it. stop watching tv, the lawyer shows do not reflect reality.</div> You are the one being naive, this is a message board. You don't know much about law do you? There are many occasions in which lawyers "seek to destroy their opponent". I am not basing this on tv, go and sit in on some cases before you open your mouth again. I find it amusing that you assume every case is determined by a judge. The reason that our constitutional right for a JURY is so highly emphasized is because it is a better scenario for a defendant. If one lawyer completely annihilates another, the JURY will choose a verdict for the lawyer that won. Please explain to me why I should have tried to compromise with anyone in this debate. That is not what a message board is about.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ANiMuS:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, I believe the "in-between" as far as respect goes is just not giving a damn about the person in any way.</div> absolutely. sometimes you just don't know someone or care about them enough to form an opinion. in fact, that's the way i am with most nba players. i don't respect or disrespect them as people because i don't know them. i don't automatically put them in the categories of people i respect or disrespect.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">How is that excessive in any way? A lot people have jersey of their favorite players and clothing repping their favorite team. Once again, I admire their ability to play, not the things that they choose to do in their personal lives. You're an AI fan, so you know all about how that works. Or would you lock a woman out of the house naked too? What society have you been a part of? Have we ever held athletes in the same regard as regular people? How do you know how I feel? Yes I've had friends who smoke weed, but they were also smart enough not to do it their house where their kids were, and were smart enough to give up many bad habits when they found out that they would be parents. I don't dislike him, I dislike his choices. Kind of like an Iverson fan pointing out the off-court faults of other players right? How have I said anything contraditctory?</div> For real playa,not to hound the age thing..but there is one important lesson you need to learn in this life and that is never judge another person until you walk a mile in their shoes...that's one of the big ones so you better pay attention..you seem kinda behind in the lessons learned in life catergory. If you are such a grand person that can judge the type of person someone is by just conversatin' over the net,well more power to ya....you better than me. So what I smoke weed? I don't do it anywhere near my daughter nor do I do it all the time..me and my boys chill,watch a game or two and pass a J...no big deal..but hey if that alone can tell you so much then you my friend are in for a shock. More people smoke weed than you'll ever know..and no,oh world wise one,it's not just '14 year olds'.....I think you need to seriously step out into the world and have a long look around and experience a little bit of life before you start makin' snap judgements about a person's character based only on smokin' weed....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post"> I find it amusing that you assume every case is determined by a judge. The reason that our constitutional right for a JURY is so highly emphasized is because it is a better scenario for a defendant. If one lawyer completely annihilates another, the JURY will choose a verdict for the lawyer that won. </div> well, you're right, one of a lawyers many objectives is to get the jury to side with them...and honestly, from reading thru this thread, I think you got more people against you...just my opinion...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">You are the one being naive, this is a message board. You don't know much about law do you? There are many occasions in which lawyers "seek to destroy their opponent". I am not basing this on tv, go and sit in on some cases before you open your mouth again. I find it amusing that you assume every case is determined by a judge. The reason that our constitutional right for a JURY is so highly emphasized is because it is a better scenario for a defendant. If one lawyer completely annihilates another, the JURY will choose a verdict for the lawyer that won. Please explain to me why I should have tried to compromise with anyone in this debate. That is not what a message board is about.</div> i can't believe that this turned into some kind of a debate on law. it sounds to me like you're taking everything anybody says to you personally. i think AIfan had some pretty good arguments against you, refuting basically everything you said and he made you sound a whole lot less credible than you seem to think you are. it seems like you guys completely lost focus of what you were talking about and started attacking each other. the basic points i got out of the argument are that we all agree that smoking weed is bad, but some of us think that it's a person's own business while others say it should be everyone's business. is that basically the argument?
