Neil is building towards something...

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  1. BonesJones

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    if they're trying to contend next year then Vonleh for Ariza is a steal
     
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    Dame can't create his own shot??? Hah! Maybe you should stop listening to Quick.
     
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    We're not winning the title next year, so it makes no sense to me to move a guy that Neil has admitted they are fond of, and at only 19 years of age, for an average small forward who has peaked.

    That just doesn't seem like a Neil Olshey move to me.
     
    MAS RipCity, Jun 27, 2015
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    MAS RipCity Mercy, Mercy

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    Heard that to and chuckled .... but besides that, it's been a pretty good interview so far (still listening). I'm still not sold on Hibbert though ...
     
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    To be fair, like most Blazers fans, he was probably trying to hear any and all chatter and banter on the team/draft/free agency. Quick was on. I noticed the same thing re: the lack of Dame mention, but I kinda think he did it cuz it goes without saying. Beyond those two, there is no one else.
     
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    No he straight up said dame can't create his own shot. I was like huh?
     
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    Ariza's above average, and a perfect value at SF. That lineup I put together would be 2nd place in the west. That's a contender. Ariza and Chandler is an upgrade over Batum and Rolo and Nelson/Henderson/Plumlee is an upgrade over Blake/Afflalo/Kaman. And we were, what, 3rd before Wesleys injury? And we'll have another year of improvement from Dame, CJ, Meyers, and Plumlee. That's a top 2 or 3 team in the west
     
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    Ariza isn't that much better than what we could find on the FA market, and it wouldn't cost us a good young prospect like Vonleh.
     
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    the thing is, those guys are more expensive. Deng and Carroll is the closest thing, and they'll make at least $10M. Trading Vonleh for Ariza only adds $5.8M onto the cap. Which means you could go get Tyson Chandler and resign Wes and LMA.
     
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    Maybe Denver is high enough on Vonleh to flip us Ariza with Wilson Chandler for Vonleh, Henderson, and a future 1st. Would yall like that better?
     
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    big fat NO to Hibbert. He's a big man version of Batum, with the same talent level while making more money
     
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    Was driving to the beach house, so reception was fuzzy and heard the replay, so I'm sure I missed some things, but I wouldn't have missed this if it was played. Damn! Maybe he's still dizzy from Neil whooping his ass?
     
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    Ariza is garbage. That deal? No thanks.
     
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    he's no worse than Batum and more consistent, a better defender and $4M cheaper
     
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    All debatable, but we did deal Batum, no? And Ariza has, what, 2-3 years remaining?
     
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    On a declining contract. He's making around $7.5M next year which, with the cap jump, is equal to $5M right now. That's at least a fair deal, especially when Batum will be making twice as much
     
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    $8.2. And again, we traded Batum for a reason. Ariza ain't worth that and still has more years.
     
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    yeah, I'm not feeling the Ariza love. He's a solid defender about to be on the wrong side of 30 with 11 seasons on his wheels. He's had one year in his life where he shot 37% or better on 3's. He's had one year in the last 6 where he's had an average PER. He's making 8M/yr.

    He might be a useful player...maybe even start for us, but he's not someone you start throwing lotto picks and future firsts at for the right to pay for a 3-and-D guy who's not very good at 3's and losing a step on D 8M for the next 3 years.
     
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    ^KRS-ONE.
     
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    I meant when the cap jumps he's making $7.8M not 7.5 but close, and still a good deal especially with the lack of depth league-wide at SF. He's a good defender, good shooter and can finish at the rim. That's worth his contract.
     
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