<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 5 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Jul 5 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so if the Heat aren't giving a longer deal, then we may b the frontrunner's for dooling right??</div> Orlando is still the front runner. He has said he wants to return since before the season ended. </div> Also every free agent says the same BS about "wanting to return" . Just look at Baron Davis, Boozer, Mikki Moore. BullSh*t walks , Money talks! </div> Yeah, but you've got the attraction of Dwight Howard vs. the attraction of Dwyane Wade and Vince Carter. Really, who do you think is gonna pull in the players? </div> Niether of those teams are going to win a championship next season IMO, so it comes down to who offers the better deal.
Money does talk. Duhon could've signed with the Magic but chose the Knicks for the money. Money talks and if we offer more we CAN get him. But its not like i want him too much though. I'd rather have Marcus Williams and give him a full year as a backup instead.
Looking back the Magic really didn't have to sign Rashard Lewis. Any team with Dwight Howard is already more than halfway towards winning a championship, probably multiple ones. Orlando just needs to surround him with a championship-caliber supporting cast.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 5 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Looking back the Magic really didn't have to sign Rashard Lewis. Any team with Dwight Howard is already more than halfway towards winning a championship, probably multiple ones. Orlando just needs to surround him with a championship-caliber supporting cast.</div> Especially because Hedo proved last year, that he has everything that Lewis has, and some more. And they play the same position too... To compliment Dwight on offense, you need a PF that can really shoot, so playing one of them at PF is not a very bad idea. If Dwight ever learns to pass out from the post, it will get even better though. Defensively though, the magic found the only way to make an average defensive team with Dwight in the middle. Puttind Rashard at PF, and starting Hedo and Nelson in 2 other spots was probably the only way to create a team around Dwight which is not a moster defensively
The Magic would have been better off throwing that money at Vince than Ra$hard. Orlando has given some pretty bad contracts to Lewis and Nelson. And its really going to hurt their attempts to build around Howard. They'll probably be stuck in mediocrity for some years because of it.
Orlando did need to sign Rashard. Rashard Lewis presence on the outside spreads the floor and is one of the reasons Hedo did so well last year. Rashard is overpaid but I don't expect him to decline any time soon.
Orlando didn't need to sign Rashard, if he was going to demand 120 mill over 6 years... They should have signed Kapono for 24 mill if they really wanted a shooter. Have Hedo play PF, and Kapono play SF. Then they could spend the extra 96 mill on Brand this year. C: Dwight PF: Brand SF: Hedo SG: Kapono PG: Nelson
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Jul 5 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Orlando did need to sign Rashard. Rashard Lewis presence on the outside spreads the floor and is one of the reasons Hedo did so well last year. Rashard is overpaid but I don't expect him to decline any time soon.</div> Exactly!
dooling does defend well and posseses a deadly perimeter jumper but why is he always considered as a "combo guard"? he is most definitely not a point guard...he usually takes the shot himself and is not particularly good setting up teammates.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jul 5 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dooling does defend well and posseses a deadly perimeter jumper but why is he always considered as a "combo guard"? he is most definitely not a point guard...he usually takes the shot himself and is not particularly good setting up teammates.</div> He's a great ball handler, fast, and his decision making has gotten a whole lot better so he can definitely run an offense. He's capable of playing both point guard and shooting guard.
dooling is garbage, we'll not going to win a championship in the next 2 years anyways and dooling will just be a bench player on a bad nets team. He'll also be expensive, if you want a bench player, just let some summer league make the team and pay him minumun. Hodge looks like he can play again also how bout that Japanese PG, are you feeling going global again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 6 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dooling is garbage, we'll not going to win a championship in the next 2 years anyways and dooling will just be a bench player on a bad nets team. He'll also be expensive, if you want a bench player, just let some summer league make the team and pay him minumun. Hodge looks like he can play again also how bout that Japanese PG, are you feeling going global again.</div> 1. How is Dooling "garbage"? 2. He's only expensive if the Nets overpay him, which nobody is suggesting they do. 3. So all the teams that are "not going to win a championship in the next two years" should not try to sign good players? By this logic 26 teams should only pay rookies and d-leaguers. 4. You think Yuta Tabuse is a suitable alternative to Dooling? Even if LeBron comes here, the team is going to need good pieces in place. Getting and keeping versitile, defensive-minded, team-oriented players is the best way to go. The Nets don't know who their superstars will be. Dooling would fit any style of play and any system they wind up using.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 6 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 6 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dooling is garbage, we'll not going to win a championship in the next 2 years anyways and dooling will just be a bench player on a bad nets team. He'll also be expensive, if you want a bench player, just let some summer league make the team and pay him minumun. Hodge looks like he can play again also how bout that Japanese PG, are you feeling going global again.</div> 1. How is Dooling "garbage"? 2. He's only expensive if the Nets overpay him, which nobody is suggesting they do. 3. So all the teams that are "not going to win a championship in the next two years" should not try to sign good players? By this logic 26 teams should only pay rookies and d-leaguers. 4. You think Yuta Tabuse is a suitable alternative to Dooling? Even if LeBron comes here, the team is going to need good pieces in place. Getting and keeping versitile, defensive-minded, team-oriented players is the best way to go. The Nets don't know who their superstars will be. Dooling would fit any style of play and any system they wind up using. </div> Why bring in a veteran bench player when hes not going to have that big of an impact on the team. The Net's don't usually find good players on the free agent market. Look at their past free agent signings. Ron Mercer, Rodney Buford, Eddie House, Jacque Vaughn, Travis Best and Jeff McInnis. Free Agents who come to the Nets don't usually pan out and are just wasted money. The Nets do well in trades and developing young players but Dooling is not going to have much of an impact and the Nets are thinking of signing him for than 3 years which will be a mistake. Dooling is a shoot first guard who doesn't rack up many assists. It's just not a good fit. I feel that theres no need spending money for bench players when you have rookies who need time to develop. If you sign a decent starter who will help the team win I'm fine with that but Dooling will not improve this team. With him the Nets will not make the playoffs and without him the Nets will not make the playoffs either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 6 2008, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 6 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 6 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dooling is garbage, we'll not going to win a championship in the next 2 years anyways and dooling will just be a bench player on a bad nets team. He'll also be expensive, if you want a bench player, just let some summer league make the team and pay him minumun. Hodge looks like he can play again also how bout that Japanese PG, are you feeling going global again.</div> 1. How is Dooling "garbage"? 2. He's only expensive if the Nets overpay him, which nobody is suggesting they do. 3. So all the teams that are "not going to win a championship in the next two years" should not try to sign good players? By this logic 26 teams should only pay rookies and d-leaguers. 4. You think Yuta Tabuse is a suitable alternative to Dooling? Even if LeBron comes here, the team is going to need good pieces in place. Getting and keeping versitile, defensive-minded, team-oriented players is the best way to go. The Nets don't know who their superstars will be. Dooling would fit any style of play and any system they wind up using. </div> Why bring in a veteran bench player when hes not going to have that big of an impact on the team. The Net's don't usually find good players on the free agent market. Look at their past free agent signings. Ron Mercer, Rodney Buford, Eddie House, Jacque Vaughn, Travis Best and Jeff McInnis. Free Agents who come to the Nets don't usually pan out and are just wasted money. The Nets do well in trades and developing young players but Dooling is not going to have much of an impact and the Nets are thinking of signing him for than 3 years which will be a mistake. Dooling is a shoot first guard who doesn't rack up many assists. It's just not a good fit. I feel that theres no need spending money for bench players when you have rookies who need time to develop. If you sign a decent starter who will help the team win I'm fine with that but Dooling will not improve this team. With him the Nets will not make the playoffs and without him the Nets will not make the playoffs either. </div> I can definitely see your point, but I don't agree that Dooling will have no impact. I like his game, think he's a great fit on both ends, and believe he can provide good value at both backup guard spots. I think he could make a big difference, actually. I also loved his team-first attitude last year. He did anything SVG needed even though his role changed sometimes from game to game. Other guys were inconsistent, but he did a great job no matter what was asked of him. That's why I think he's a good fit for a team in flux like the Nets. There's no scenario where he becomes obsolete. And you have just made Eddie House cry by putting his name on that list! He played very well for the Nets. Their free agent failure in his case is that they didn't sign him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 6 2008, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can definitely see your point, but I don't agree that Dooling will have no impact. I like his game, think he's a great fit on both ends, and believe he can provide good value at both backup guard spots. I think he could make a big difference, actually. And you have just made Eddie House cry by putting his name on that list! He played very well for the Nets. Their free agent failure in his case is that they didn't sign him.</div> Well, Eddie House was injured for much of the season. I'm not sure if you could still classify that as a failure with that in mind... At the very least, Keyon would provide some entertainment value even if we weren't to make the playoffs. He's a good player to watch, I loved watching him play with Orlando this past season. Keyon will also help with being a great perimeter defender, with the ability to put up points quick and handle some PG duties.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Jul 6 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know I will be very pissed if we sign Eduardo Najera. WTF PPL!</div> oh yeah, me too.
