<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just read something from a Nuggets FO insider <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NJ still wants to trade us Carter for Nene.</div> </div> WTF? Makes no sense. Carter expires in 2010 just in time for LeBron. Nene is on the books for $11M in 2011. </div> Remember, Vince is partially guaranteed for a decent amount that same season Nene makes 11.6 Million and there would be per year savings every other season </div> How much is he guaranteed that season and how much goes against the cap in 2011? If it just means paying the luxury tax, that's no problem if it means they can still sign LeBron.
Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed. Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed. Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 19 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's kinda like how I can't tell black people apart, or Asians apart.</div> Tiger Woods must really confound you. </div> He plays for the Rockets, right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed. Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed. Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.</div> Still makes no sense to move Vince for a guy with a longer contract than he has. GOD this Carter contract is dumb. Why in the world did Ratner do this???
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div> It makes sense regardless...Miller can play both the two and three positions... 3 man rotation all at 32 minutes a piece... keeps players healthy, happy, energized. I actually like the idea of grabbing Miller as a Manu Ginobili type 6th man alot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed. Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed. Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.</div> Still makes no sense to move Vince for a guy with a longer contract than he has. </div> Oh I totally agree with that. I wasn't advocating the trade, just clarifying the numbers and terms. I really want to see what this team can do with only one other minor move, Boki/Magloire/pick for Miller or Boki/Magloire for Cuttino Mobley. Heck, we might even be able to rent Sam Cassell for the rest of the season in a deal with the Clippers. I think because of the 'cancer' that Kidd created in terms of chemistry and team morale, the other players deserve a chance to try and blend with the new pieces to see how far they can go.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div> Why? Miller, RJ and Carter would get all the minutes for two positions. That's 32 MPG. RJ could always snipe a few more if needed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div> Absolutely disagree. Miller is more a SF than a guard in terms of size, although he can play both positions. With Miller, you have a three man rotation at the wings (Miller/RJ/Carter), possibly using Harris for short minutes at the 2 with either Marcus or DA at point. It gives a lot of versatility and a PROVEN shooter, scorer, and all-round player as the backup wing, something we've never gotten out of any combination of Wright/Boki and the others that have come through the roster the last few years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed. Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed. Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.</div> Still makes no sense to move Vince for a guy with a longer contract than he has. </div> Oh I totally agree with that. I wasn't advocating the trade, just clarifying the numbers and terms. I really want to see what this team can do with only one other minor move, Boki/Magloire/pick for Miller or Boki/Magloire for Cuttino Mobley. Heck, we might even be able to rent Sam Cassell for the rest of the season in a deal with the Clippers. I think because of the 'cancer' that Kidd created in terms of chemistry and team morale, the other players deserve a chance to try and blend with the new pieces to see how far they can go. </div> If we turn down Zach Randolph who isn't injury proned and has a shorter contract than Vince and instead grab Nene who is inury prone, overpaid, and has a potentially longer deal than the front office will lose all of the good will it's recieving from the Kidd trade. Let me be clear I don't want Randolph either...but I would take him in a minute over Nene.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed. Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed. Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.</div> Still makes no sense to move Vince for a guy with a longer contract than he has. </div> Oh I totally agree with that. I wasn't advocating the trade, just clarifying the numbers and terms. </div> With good reason, since what I posted was wrong!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 19 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div> It makes sense regardless...Miller can play both the two and three positions... 3 man rotation all at 32 minutes a piece... keeps players healthy, happy, energized. I actually like the idea of grabbing Miller as a Manu Ginobili type 6th man alot. </div> LOL. You beat me to it because I had to Google to find out what 96 divided by 3 was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 19 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div> It makes sense regardless...Miller can play both the two and three positions... 3 man rotation all at 32 minutes a piece... keeps players healthy, happy, energized. I actually like the idea of grabbing Miller as a Manu Ginobili type 6th man alot. </div> LOL. You beat me to it because I had to Google to find out what 96 divided by 3 was. </div> LOL...I only knew because I proposed the trade when we still had Kidd. I used a calculator.
According to Al Iannazzone: Here <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>two trade exceptions.</div> I don't think its possible, I thought trade exceptions cannot be combined, but I could be wrong. Back to my point.. if Memphis is mostly looking for expiring contracts, TE's are even better, no? TEs don't have a salary to pay. That could further facilitate a Mike Miller trade... which imho would rock. The Nets haven't had a proven shooter since...
But why would Denver want Carter? Could Melo, Iverson and Carter really coexist? Iverson and Melo bring in enough offense, and even if it is Nene, why not keep him as insurance big man?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 19 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But why would Denver want Carter? Could Melo, Iverson and Carter really coexist? Iverson and Melo bring in enough offense, and even if it is Nene, why not keep him as insurance big man?</div> Denver doesn't really want him, but that isn't stopping the Nets from offering. Just like the Knicks continue to offer deals to the Nuggets. As for Melo and AI, the Nuggets desperately need a shooter to space the floor with them. Mike Miller is their #1 target.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 19 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But why would Denver want Carter? Could Melo, Iverson and Carter really coexist? Iverson and Melo bring in enough offense, and even if it is Nene, why not keep him as insurance big man?</div> Denver doesn't really want him, but that isn't stopping the Nets from offering. Just like the Knicks continue to offer deals to the Nuggets. As for Melo and AI, the Nuggets desperately need a shooter to space the floor with them. Mike Miller is their #1 target. </div> Oh I see, silly me. I was under the impression that both sides were discussing such a deal. And Miller would compliment AI and Melo much better than Carter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 19 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But why would Denver want Carter? Could Melo, Iverson and Carter really coexist? Iverson and Melo bring in enough offense, and even if it is Nene, why not keep him as insurance big man?</div> Denver doesn't really want him, but that isn't stopping the Nets from offering. Just like the Knicks continue to offer deals to the Nuggets. As for Melo and AI, the Nuggets desperately need a shooter to space the floor with them. Mike Miller is their #1 target. </div> I think we're getting Mike Miller because Thorn just spoke w/ M&MD and said he expects him to be traded, Mike asked if a Northeast team would get him (*coughs* Nets) he said no I don't think so. (the art of misdirection)
