"Freedom of speech" is thrown out there way too often in society these days. It's my perception that what most people don't keep in mind is whether or not the "offender" is operating in their private business.
Here's what I want to know did they take this person out cause he had the sign or was there something more to it? It makes no sense if it was just the sign he had.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 16 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"Freedom of speech" is thrown out there way too often in society these days. It's my perception that what most people don't keep in mind is whether or not the "offender" is operating in their private business.</div> amen
part of it could be standing on the seat? I don't think Security wants people standing on seats at anytime. Partly for safety, partly for obstructing the view of people behind the person.
they gave him some sheet from the izod center saying he's banned from the property. to be reinstated he has to write a letter of apology and they will review it to determine if he will be allowed back or not. they are taking this way too far. all over a sign.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheKidHypno @ Apr 16 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they gave him some sheet from the izod center saying he's banned from the property. to be reinstated he has to write a letter of apology and they will review it to determine if he will be allowed back or not. they are taking this way too far. all over a sign.</div> If it was me I'd tell them to take the sheet and shove up their asses.
The kid actually does have a case...security is within there rights to remove someone who is being violent, drunk, or belligerent; however given what was apparently happening they went over the line. I'd sue before apologizing for having a banner stating an opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 16 2008, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The kid actually does have a case...security is within there rights to remove someone who is being violent, drunk, or belligerent; however given what was apparently happening they went over the line. I'd sue before apologizing for having a banner stating an opinion.</div> The kid doesn't have a case, based on what was seen in the video. The New Jersey Nets (whoever owns the building) has the right to regulate their property, and kick out people who they deem as disruptive. They can kick out someone for holding up that sign, and they can permanently ban them. The only case that could be made would be that any significantly unecessary force was used to remove the kid, and based on that video...nothing that would warrant a lawsuit. I'm sure the kid is angry, I would be too. Still, just because a situation doesn't "sit right" doesn't make it a valid legal case.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 16 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"Freedom of speech" is thrown out there way too often in society these days. It's my perception that what most people don't keep in mind is whether or not the "offender" is operating in their private business.</div> There was no clear and present danger...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 17 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 16 2008, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The kid actually does have a case...security is within there rights to remove someone who is being violent, drunk, or belligerent; however given what was apparently happening they went over the line. I'd sue before apologizing for having a banner stating an opinion.</div> The kid doesn't have a case, based on what was seen in the video. The New Jersey Nets (whoever owns the building) has the right to regulate their property, and kick out people who they deem as disruptive. They can kick out someone for holding up that sign, and they can permanently ban them. The only case that could be made would be that any significantly unecessary force was used to remove the kid, and based on that video...nothing that would warrant a lawsuit. I'm sure the kid is angry, I would be too. Still, just because a situation doesn't "sit right" doesn't make it a valid legal case. </div> Exactlly, the NJ Nets and the Izod center are private property, therefore they can enforce their own rules, as long as they are legal in which ever way they want. As with our our place we have the right to refuse admision to anyone who deem to be a possible problem, the same goes for the nets, izod center, and any other private property. I dont think it was right what happend, however agian I dont see anything based on the force in that video that will win you a case, sorry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 17 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Any lawyers here? Or studying law? Lol we need to settle this</div> Uh, No but I do work in private security, and do know how it works.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Apr 17 2008, 05:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If I were the kid, I'd say, "**** you then...see you assholes in Brooklyn"</div> Be carefull, dont want to get banned there either. Serouisly though the kid should feel lucky he has a chance to go back and all it takes is a letter. Where i work if you get thrown out for the year you anit coming back and if you do you go to jail.
What I'd be really interested is this: Why did he go with them to get banned? Why give up his name? Why give up his address? Why let his picture be taken? If you're being escorted out of your seat you should know that you're being escorted away from the game. You should be able to deduce that any place you're being taken to is a further attempt to punish you for that sign. I would walk immediately to the nearest exit, let them know of my intentions in a calm manner, and return for my next game. There's nothing that they can do to compel you to speak, since not even officers of the law have that right. Should the Izod owners take offense to your desire to leave and without being cataloged, they may threaten to call the police as a means of scaring you into submission; call their bluff. While you supposedly broke the subjective rules of the Izod Center of holding up that sign, you didn't break the law. Intentionally holding someone against their will? Eh.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 17 2008, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What I'd be really interested is this: Why did he go with them to get banned? Why give up his name? Why give up his address? Why let his picture be taken? If you're being escorted out of your seat you should know that you're being escorted away from the game. You should be able to deduce that any place you're being taken to is a further attempt to punish you for that sign. I would walk immediately to the nearest exit, let them know of my intentions in a calm manner, and return for my next game. There's nothing that they can do to compel you to speak, since not even officers of the law have that right. Should the Izod owners take offense to your desire to leave and without being cataloged, they may threaten to call the police as a means of scaring you into submission; call their bluff. While you supposedly broke the subjective rules of the Izod Center of holding up that sign, you didn't break the law. Intentionally holding someone against their will? Eh.....</div> You got a very good point there. Security officers ( we are not guards) dont read and give marnada warings as we have no arrest authority, well most of us in security. However you rather let us in security deal with it, then say the New Jersey state police. Once the police get involved with a case like this it becomes a criminal case. Also there are many NJSP Tropers at the Izod center, so i dont think that would of been a smart move.
And, knowing many cops personally, some may just look at a "case" like this and laugh and let the kid go and tell the Izod folks, "thanks for wasting my time" . Jigga made some good points.
