<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 6 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>anyone remember how a month or two ago some guys wanted him 10th?</div> I have my doubts. It's not very often so many GM's are so wrong on a guy. It happens, but usually not with someone as visible as CDR. Monta Ellis and Paul Millsap were different. Ellis was a high school player who had had knee surgery. Millsap was a small college player who showed up out of shape for his workouts. Nearest examples I can think of are Michael Redd who dramatically altered his shot after scoring only 10 points TOTAL his rookie season, and Carlos Boozer, but he too adjusted big time when he got into the pro's, losing 25 pounds. Nets liked him which is great, were trying to buy or trade for him late in the first round which is encouraging..and Dave D said before the draft that Kiki thought he had had the best workout of any of the 30+ prospects who had been seen by then, an indication they weren't just blowing smoke after the draft. BUT they do not have a good record in the second round. (Nets didnt pick Korver for themselves. They picked him for the Sixers.) The rest of the second rounders in the Thorn era are Soumalia Samaki, Brian Scalabrine, Tamar Slay, Christian Drejer, Mile Ilic, and Hassan Adams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 6 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 6 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>anyone remember how a month or two ago some guys wanted him 10th?</div> I have my doubts. It's not very often so many GM's are so wrong on a guy. It happens, but usually not with someone as visible as CDR. Monta Ellis and Paul Millsap were different. Ellis was a high school player who had had knee surgery. Millsap was a small college player who showed up out of shape for his workouts. Nearest examples I can think of are Michael Redd who dramatically altered his shot after scoring only 10 points TOTAL his rookie season, and Carlos Boozer, but he too adjusted big time when he got into the pro's, losing 25 pounds. Nets liked him which is great, were trying to buy or trade for him late in the first round which is encouraging..and Dave D said before the draft that Kiki thought he had had the best workout of any of the 30+ prospects who had been seen by then, an indication they weren't just blowing smoke after the draft. BUT they do not have a good record in the second round. (Nets didnt pick Korver for themselves. They picked him for the Sixers.) The rest of the second rounders in the Thorn era are Soumalia Samaki, Brian Scalabrine, Tamar Slay, Christian Drejer, Mile Ilic, and Hassan Adams. </div> Manu Ginobili Rashard Lewis and Gilbert Arenas come to mind. I understand why people would have doubts, But make no mistake about it. We got the steal of the night with CDR.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 6 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 6 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>anyone remember how a month or two ago some guys wanted him 10th?</div> I have my doubts. It's not very often so many GM's are so wrong on a guy. It happens, but usually not with someone as visible as CDR. Monta Ellis and Paul Millsap were different. Ellis was a high school player who had had knee surgery. Millsap was a small college player who showed up out of shape for his workouts. Nearest examples I can think of are Michael Redd who dramatically altered his shot after scoring only 10 points TOTAL his rookie season, and Carlos Boozer, but he too adjusted big time when he got into the pro's, losing 25 pounds. Nets liked him which is great, were trying to buy or trade for him late in the first round which is encouraging..and Dave D said before the draft that Kiki thought he had had the best workout of any of the 30+ prospects who had been seen by then, an indication they weren't just blowing smoke after the draft. BUT they do not have a good record in the second round. (Nets didnt pick Korver for themselves. They picked him for the Sixers.) The rest of the second rounders in the Thorn era are Soumalia Samaki, Brian Scalabrine, Tamar Slay, Christian Drejer, Mile Ilic, and Hassan Adams. </div> I see him comparable to a poor man's RJ when he first entered the league...he's not quite as athletic as RJ but he should be a good defender who can slash to the basket and score on fast break points. It will be uip to CDR's commitment in the gym working on his shot and offensive game that determines what type of player he ultimately becomes. He's been an underdog his entire career...if he keeps a chip on his soldier then he might just be able to grow into a very good pro.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jul 6 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 6 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 6 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>anyone remember how a month or two ago some guys wanted him 10th?</div> I have my doubts. It's not very often so many GM's are so wrong on a guy. It happens, but usually not with someone as visible as CDR. Monta Ellis and Paul Millsap were different. Ellis was a high school player who had had knee surgery. Millsap was a small college player who showed up out of shape for his workouts. Nearest examples I can think of are Michael Redd who dramatically altered his shot after scoring only 10 points TOTAL his rookie season, and Carlos Boozer, but he too adjusted big time when he got into the pro's, losing 25 pounds. Nets liked him which is great, were trying to buy or trade for him late in the first round which is encouraging..and Dave D said before the draft that Kiki thought he had had the best workout of any of the 30+ prospects who had been seen by then, an indication they weren't just blowing smoke after the draft. BUT they do not have a good record in the second round. (Nets didnt pick Korver for themselves. They picked him for the Sixers.) The rest of the second rounders in the Thorn era are Soumalia Samaki, Brian Scalabrine, Tamar Slay, Christian Drejer, Mile Ilic, and Hassan Adams. </div> I see him comparable to a poor man's RJ when he first entered the league...he's not quite as athletic as RJ but he should be a good defender who can slash to the basket and score on fast break points. It will be uip to CDR's commitment in the gym working on his shot and offensive game that determines what type of player he ultimately becomes. He's been an underdog his entire career...if he keeps a chip on his soldier then he might just be able to grow into a very good pro. </div> he seems to be a more natural scorer than RJ, IMO, has a better shot than RJ had comming into the league. I think his game is gonna translate well and he'll quickly become a fan fav.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 6 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 6 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>anyone remember how a month or two ago some guys wanted him 10th?</div> I have my doubts. It's not very often so many GM's are so wrong on a guy. It happens, but usually not with someone as visible as CDR. Monta Ellis and Paul Millsap were different. Ellis was a high school player who had had knee surgery. Millsap was a small college player who showed up out of shape for his workouts. Nearest examples I can think of are Michael Redd who dramatically altered his shot after scoring only 10 points TOTAL his rookie season, and Carlos Boozer, but he too adjusted big time when he got into the pro's, losing 25 pounds. Nets liked him which is great, were trying to buy or trade for him late in the first round which is encouraging..and Dave D said before the draft that Kiki thought he had had the best workout of any of the 30+ prospects who had been seen by then, an indication they weren't just blowing smoke after the draft. BUT they do not have a good record in the second round. (Nets didnt pick Korver for themselves. They picked him for the Sixers.) The rest of the second rounders in the Thorn era are Soumalia Samaki, Brian Scalabrine, Tamar Slay, Christian Drejer, Mile Ilic, and Hassan Adams. </div> to play devil's advocate: (1) there were those reports about how some teams passed on him because he didn't work out for them. (2) He's seen as an unathletic Junior without much upside . . . once more it comes down to individual preferences by GMs; many prefer to gamble on the athletic young guy. (3) once the second round hits, all bets are off--too many teams want to just forfeit their picks, so they take some foreign kid who will never see the light of day, just to satisfy the fans, I think. Especially given the fact that a couple of teams had two picks in the top of the second round, and those teams already had rosters full of guarranteed contracts (yes, I checked before the draft), I had a hunch that a projected late first rounder would fall to the Nets in the second round. (4) no team has a good record in the second round, it isn't just the Nets. But CDR has as good a chance to work out as anyone this year. But we said the same thing about Hassan Adams, too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 7 2008, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 6 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 6 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>anyone remember how a month or two ago some guys wanted him 10th?</div> I have my doubts. It's not very often so many GM's are so wrong on a guy. It happens, but usually not with someone as visible as CDR. Monta Ellis and Paul Millsap were different. Ellis was a high school player who had had knee surgery. Millsap was a small college player who showed up out of shape for his workouts. Nearest examples I can think of are Michael Redd who dramatically altered his shot after scoring only 10 points TOTAL his rookie season, and Carlos Boozer, but he too adjusted big time when he got into the pro's, losing 25 pounds. Nets liked him which is great, were trying to buy or trade for him late in the first round which is encouraging..and Dave D said before the draft that Kiki thought he had had the best workout of any of the 30+ prospects who had been seen by then, an indication they weren't just blowing smoke after the draft. BUT they do not have a good record in the second round. (Nets didnt pick Korver for themselves. They picked him for the Sixers.) The rest of the second rounders in the Thorn era are Soumalia Samaki, Brian Scalabrine, Tamar Slay, Christian Drejer, Mile Ilic, and Hassan Adams. </div> to play devil's advocate: (1) there were those reports about how some teams passed on him because he didn't work out for them. (2) He's seen as an unathletic Junior without much upside . . . once more it comes down to individual preferences by GMs; many prefer to gamble on the athletic young guy. (3) once the second round hits, all bets are off--too many teams want to just forfeit their picks, so they take some foreign kid who will never see the light of day, just to satisfy the fans, I think. Especially given the fact that a couple of teams had two picks in the top of the second round, and those teams already had rosters full of guarranteed contracts (yes, I checked before the draft), I had a hunch that a projected late first rounder would fall to the Nets in the second round. (4) no team has a good record in the second round, it isn't just the Nets. But CDR has as good a chance to work out as anyone this year. But we said the same thing about Hassan Adams, too. </div> I want to add that it was a really weird 2nd round this year. It seems anumber of teams were choosing for need. Here's a look at the 9 picks before the Nets: 31 - T'Wolves - took a Euro stash center (Pekovic) 32 - OKC for Detroit - wanted a PF (Sharpe) 33 - Portland (to Houston) - wanted an enforcer down low (Dorsey) 34 - T'Wolves (to Miami) - wanted a pg (Chalmers) 35 - Clips - took best available big (Jordan) 36 - Portland (to Chicago) - Euro stash center (Asik) 37 - Bucks - odd choice here (Mbah a Moute) 38 - Bobs - again an odd choice considering CDR available (Weaver) 39 - Bulls (to Denver) - oddest choice of them all (Weems) Considering the motives of 31 to 36 I think CDR could have gone as high as 37, but since the Bucks got RJ from us did they really need CDR? Probably not. Still don't get Bobs and Bulls choices at 38 or 39. I get Weaver if CDR is gone, but he wasn't. Another thing that could've influenced people is that they already knew who they wanted in rd 2. As for why he wasn't drafted within the last 5 picks of round 1 I think a lot of big guys dropped (Batum, Arthur, Greene) and a couple early 2nd rounders jumped (Hill, White, Giddens). From pick 24 on it was an odd draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It's not very often so many GM's are so wrong on a guy</div> You guys missed one key elemental aspect to this analysis of why or how 30 Gm's could be wrong: HALF OF THEM ARE IDIOTS.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JRon @ Jul 7 2008, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It's not very often so many GM's are so wrong on a guy</div> You guys missed one key elemental aspect to this analysis of why or how 30 Gm's could be wrong: HALF OF THEM ARE IDIOTS. </div> Not really. Do you know what every team needs? Do you know that the Bucks needed CDR or that he even went and worked out for them? Teams just don't take players for the sake of saying they took that player. CDR was a steal, you can say that. He's not the greatest steal in NBA history, but he's a very good player. There are certainly better players who were picked ahead of him.
I think Weaver and Weems might be better 3 point shooters than CDR...that's the only explanation I have.
