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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Education Week.

    https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/04/23/29knives_ep.h33.html

    Large-scale shootings have been a dominant driver of school safety debates, but a stabbing spree at a Pennsylvania high school this month should serve as a reminder that educators need to be prepared for a range of situations—including smaller, nonfatal incidents that don't involve guns at all, school safety experts say.

    Following most school shootings—like the December 2012 killings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.—conversation quickly turns to the polarizing subject of gun policy.

    And while some districts work to implement comprehensive safety plans that address mental-health concerns, school climate, and security procedures, policymakers often direct efforts and resources specifically toward the prevention of gun-related incidents, experts say.

    "When we focus our policy responses almost entirely on firearms in these events, we overlook major things and we aren't going to address the root of the problem," said Laura E. Agnich, an assistant professor of criminal justice and criminology at Georgia Southern University in Statesboro.

    That narrow focus can lead to "knee jerk" responses such as overly broad zero-tolerance policies and costly building upgrades, instead of research-based school climate measures and carefully practiced safety procedures, Ms. Agnich said.

    In the 2010-11 school year, U.S. public schools reported 5,000 cases of student possession of a firearm or explosive device, and 72,300 cases of possession of a knife or other sharp object, according to the most recent information available from the U.S. Department of Education.
     
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    Nobody died in that. Still terrifying
     
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    I think in a school it would be pretty hard to find kids alone so that when you stab one person. Or slit their throat... Another kid doesn't yell, scream, or attempt to subdue you.
    Most kids today aren't supposed to be alone ever at schools. They do disappear with their friends, at times. But rarely are they alone. If the school staff is doing their job, even loners aren't alone.

    AR's are easy, due to not being able to out run a bullet easily.
    Where you can do damage with a knife, but good luck keeping people from screaming at the very least.
     
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    There are few mass stabbings in US schools. The number of 2-3 people stabbed in schools is much higher than you'd want to think about.

    Overseas where they have stricter limits on liberty to own guns, they are far more common.

    20 students/teachers stabbed in Perm, Russia:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/school-stabbing-injures-teacher-20-students-perm-russia-n837751

    Multiple mass stabbings in Chinese schools since 2010, including the 2012 stabbing of 23 children and "an elderly woman."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nese-media-covers-u-s-gun-violence/348171002/
    And while China not infrequently suffers from mass attacks, the difficulty in getting a gun or a bomb in China means the casualties are mostly limited to the unlucky few who get stabbed. On Feb. 11, for example, a man knifed 13 people. “This weekend, a man with a grievance attacked people in a mall in Beijing. One person died,” the Beijing-based Wall Street Journal reporter Josh Chin tweeted. “Four days later a man with a grievance attacks people in a high school in Florida. At least 17 die. Guess the difference."

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/asia/china-school-stabbings/index.html
    China: 10 schoolchildren stabbed; assailant kills himself

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80964
    8 Children Dead in Japanese School Stabbing
     
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    And stuff like this, is why I've stopped reading your posts.

    The University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) treated twelve patients. UPMC officials stated that two boys were in critical condition, two boys were in serious condition, and a boy and two girls were in fair condition. One victim was placed on a ventilator after a knife pierced his liver, while another suffered an open wound to the face that required 11 stitches. The teenage victims ranged in age from 14 to 17.[13] Eight other patients were taken to Forbes Regional Hospital in nearby Monroeville.[14]Several of those victims had suffered serious injuries, including "deep wounds to the abdomen", according to hospital officials.[4][15][16] In addition to the stabbing victims, two other students suffered unrelated injuries while fleeing the school. Hribal was treated for injuries to his hand.[2][17][18] On May 18, 2014, Greg Keener, the last of the victims, was discharged from Forbes Regional Hospital.[19]



    Deaths 0
    Non-fatal injuries
    24 (22 directly, including the attacker)
     
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    That's a relief!
     
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    In the mass stabbings worldwide, it's rare that nobody dies. That's kind of important to mention, don't you think?

    My only response to your troll posts.
     
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    In a crowded hallway/store/festival/anything- I’m slashing at least 10 throats before anybody realizes what’s going on. After that, I’m pretty fucking big and athletic, I can chase down and stab in the throat just about anybody that isn’t a track athlete.

    Anybody that try’s stopping me better have a way bigger knife, or a gun.

    I would have been able to do that from middle school onwards.


    Its also hilarious that you think it would be so easy to just grab someone with a knife without catching a few stabs or slices and getting yourself killed lol.

    We should try it out, and I’ll use a fork instead.
     
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    you've apparently never studied self defense....doesn't matter how big you are....you have knees and ankles that will snap with very little force....you think you can slash 10 throats without being stopped, you didn't go to my high school......you might kill someone but you wouldn't succeed with me...I'd put my weight on your ankles and snap crackle pop.....you'll not be walking anymore......don't even need a knife...it's not that hard to take a knife from someone if you know a bit of self defense.....it is hard to take an assault weapon from someone firing from distance however.....I could take away your knife with a gym towel
     
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    And I’m my opinion, I’ll take my chances with a gun, over a homemade bomb, a huge truck trying to run me over, someone walking up behind me with a knife silently, someone throwing gasoline on me then lighting me on fire (which just happened recently at Denny’s by the CTC).

    Not to mention any of the 20,000 flamethrowers that Elon Musk just put out in the market.

    If you inhale fire for just a second you’re lungs and throat will swell up and you’ll die before you make it to a hospital.
     
  13. Nate

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    Lol.
     
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    River, come on. A guy with a knife is one of the most dangerous things to confront. I wont even get into personal experience, military training or martial arts. Going to keep it simple. The threat of a guy with a knife is so high that law enforcement are taught to stay at least twenty feet away, and if there is no compliance and further threat, they are allowed to use deadly force.

    Pal, with all due respect, the "One summer at band camp" stories, do not hold water.
     
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    >>> Never let an incident go to waste.

    >>>> You do realize, armed guards are in the Moda Center for a reason? The Court House. City Hall, actual quite a few places. Except the Schools!
    Do we leave them as Killing Field for a reason? Does this server some agenda unknown to some of us?

    >>> This one is really humorous. I have used one on my ranch, not quite what you think. The velocity of the dart is about like a 90mph fast ball.
    It certainly can be dodged, or defelted easily. The bear in the tree got himself in a bad spot, can't dodge, can't run, just got to hang there and take it.
    Then count the second until the bear falls out of the tree. Uh oh! Too fucking long! If it were a shooter, he would get your ass and dump the rest of the magazine into the kids you failed to do shit to protect. Damn Man! That's fools plan!!

    >>> Respected citizen know and respect the rule of law under our Constitution.

    >>>>Wow! You need to explain the differences between the Progressive Democrat Left and everyone else that appreciates the rule of law under the Constitution with a bit more than "don't mean jack shit".

    Now, just in case I missed it, Do you think we should just let this killing of school children continue? Do you have a workable solution?
     
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    I was gonna bring up the 20 ft thing... but I said fuck it.

    All we need to protect our school are old men with gym towels, and ankle stomps.
     
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    If you are talking about a trained martial arts expert.....sure..but a guy with a knife is not as dangerous to you as a guy with an automatic weapon from a safe distance...and if you've studied martial arts...you know how to defend against a knife....it's taught in self defense classes all over the world.....a kung fu master with a knife is not an angry teenager in Jr High School......I'm addressing civilian conflict here...not trained seal team combat..how to disable an attacker is also taught in self defense class...even a small woman can stop an attack with the proper training...band camp ....this I don't know about.....school fights, bar fights.. I've seen my share..a well place kick to the ankle can make a giant crumble to the ground in agony...
     
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    Damn man! I wish you had been my partner on SP duty, when that guy threaten to cut me from pecker to chin! I would have passed him off to you in a heart beat. No doubt in my mind.
     
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    :biglaugh:
     
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    Did you have a towel on you?

    Or simple fix to disarm a knife weilder, just stomp on his ankle! (Don’t actually go for the knife, it’s the ankles you wanna go for).

    He will immediately drop the knife. That’s taught all over the world.
     
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