I would rather Swift than Kwame and Abdur-Rahim for his athletisim and his ability to run on the fast break, something Kwame and Shareef can't do well, which will be a huge plus because he will be working with Kidd and a team that loves to run.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobimel:</div><div class="quote_post">I would rather Swift than Kwame and Abdur-Rahim for his athletisim and his ability to run on the fast break, something Kwame and Shareef can't do well, which will be a huge plus because he will be working with Kidd and a team that loves to run.</div> Exactly!!, Kwame does not have that type of athletism. I think playing the four spot in the NBA nowadays you have to be extremely athleitc like a Kenyon Martin or Amare(he is really a 4) or extremely skilled & verstale like a KG or TD. Swift is the closet thing to having that Kenyon Martin type athletism. I wouldnt do any type of deal with Washington, where they sign Brown & trade him to us for picks off the simple fact we already invested alot into Collins, who like Brown doesnt really have the athletism to fit into our style. So why invest into it again?
As long as the Nets have to worry about Shaq in the East, they should concern themselves with getting more size up front and a player capable of scoring in the post against him. Having an athletic PF is great for the regular season, but in the playoffs they won't be as effective. The Nets need guys like Reggie Evans, Potapenko, and Diop to bang inside against the big centers.
<ul> [*]Shareef Abdur-Rahim [*]Antoine Walker [*]Tyson Chandler [*]Stromile Swift [*]Udonis Haslem [*]Reggie Evans [*]Danny Fortson [*]Donyell Marshall [*]Kwame Brown [/list] those are just some of the PF's left...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">As long as the Nets have to worry about Shaq in the East, they should concern themselves with getting more size up front and a player capable of scoring in the post against him. Having an athletic PF is great for the regular season, but in the playoffs they won't be as effective. The Nets need guys like Reggie Evans, Potapenko, and Diop to bang inside against the big centers.</div> I disagree with you on this one...for the simple they went to 2 NBA finals with the system of having athletism a the 4 spot. I dont think you adjust your style simply because Shaq's in the East now, especially when your best player which is still Jason Kidd cant play in the halfcourt, you need to surround him with the type of team that would make him most effective. And that is a runing team, which requires athletism at the 4spot. What was the main thing missing in the Nets fastbreak vs Miami...the fact their bigs couldnt get past half-court converting from defense to offense, so Shaq never had to run. As Shaq gets older and more injury prone, teams with athletic bigs are going to give more and more problems. I like Reggie Evans. But Diop or Potapenko type players have size. But they wouldnt be off much use against Shaq, because Shaq still uses his size and body to well, and nobody in the league is close of enuff to deal with that...quickness is what going to give him problems from here on out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree with you on this one...for the simple they went to 2 NBA finals with the system of having athletism a the 4 spot. I dont think you adjust your style simply because Shaq's in the East now, especially when your best player which is still Jason Kidd cant play in the halfcourt, you need to surround him with the type of team that would make him most effective. And that is a runing team, which requires athletism at the 4spot. What was the main thing missing in the Nets fastbreak vs Miami...the fact their bigs couldnt get past half-court converting from defense to offense, so Shaq never had to run. As Shaq gets older and more injury prone, teams with athletic bigs are going to give more and more problems. I like Reggie Evans. But Diop or Potapenko type players have size. But they wouldnt be off much use against Shaq, because Shaq still uses his size and body to well, and nobody in the league is close of enuff to deal with that...quickness is what going to give him problems from here on out.</div> And what happened in those Finals? THEY LOST! Whether it was Shaq or Duncan, the Nets got destroyed inside. Just look at what happened to the Nuggets. They were beaten soundly on the inside by Duncan and Nazr Mohammed. The combination of Camby-Nene-Martin, talented, athletic big men doesn't work in the playoffs. You have to have balance, because the better teams are able to play in the half-court as well as uptempo. No one is going to stop Shaq, but Diop and Potapenko can be had for relatively cheap. Shaq is aging and the injuries are catching up to him, but Shaq at 50% is still better than most bigmen in the league. Any team in the East has to be concerned with Shaq if they plan on getting deep in the playoffs in the next 2 or 3 years. Shaq said he wants to play another 7 years after his current contract expires. He's already shown he can drop weight, so what if he slims a little more and works on his conditioning. He might actually be around for longer than most expect. The main thing missing was the Nets couldn't stop the Heat when they needed to. The Heat pretty much did what ever they wanted in the series, and Shaq was a big reason for it. And when it wasn't Shaq, it was Alonzo taking control of the paint. Even if you want to overlook Shaq, what about the Pistons. They have size and depth up front, as do the Pacers and Celtics. Plus the duo of Chandler & Curry are only going to get better if the Bulls decide to keep both of them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And what happened in those Finals? THEY LOST!</div> Your right they lost in the finals. But that wasnt because they were athletic rathen being big cause when they played LA they actually had size Todd Macolluh(misspelled) was hear then and he had pretty good size. The Nets lost against the Lakers & Spurs because a lack of quality depth at those bigman spots and that is a totally differennt discussion all together, cause no matter whether you go with athletic bigs or bigs with size if it isnt quality then you dont stand a chance against Shaq/ TD, Robinson <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Just look at what happened to the Nuggets. They were beaten soundly on the inside by Duncan and Nazr Mohammed. The combination of Camby-Nene-Martin, talented, athletic big men doesn't work in the playoffs. You have to have balance, because the better teams are able to play in the half-court as well as uptempo.</div> I agree Balace is the key to having a special team but name how many bigs are available to the Nets that would provide that proper balance? Guys like Potapenko and Diop arent because when they can bang on one end. They become a liablity on the other end. Shaq will never have to play defense, never have to run back on d, cause those guys just arent threats on the other end. So Shaq will rest on defense and become even more devastating on the offensive end, because of the lack of energy he had to use on the other end of the floor. And as for the Denver San Antonio series, Duncan was extremely up & down during that series. And San Antnio was able to win games where he wasnt even that much of an offensive fact. San Antonio won that series for several different reasons, Denver's best player Carmelo Anthony could not do anythig against Bruce Bowen until game 4, after game 1 Andre Miller did a poor job of dictating point guard play, Giniboli was a killer off the bench etc. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No one is going to stop Shaq, but Diop and Potapenko can be had for relatively cheap. Shaq is aging and the injuries are catching up to him, but Shaq at 50% is still better than most bigmen in the league. Any team in the East has to be concerned with Shaq if they plan on getting deep in the playoffs in the next 2 or 3 years. Shaq said he wants to play another 7 years after his current contract expires. He's already shown he can drop weight, so what if he slims a little more and works on his conditioning. He might actually be around for longer than most expect.</div> I think you are always concerned with Shaq, no matter what conference. But you cant think about that as an odjective when making front office decisions. if you are a team that wants to get out & be moible, you cant add a buch of slow cats that wont be effective in your style just because you may or may not face Shaq down the line in my opinion. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The main thing missing was the Nets couldn't stop the Heat when they needed to. The Heat pretty much did what ever they wanted in the series, and Shaq was a big reason for it. And when it wasn't Shaq, it was Alonzo taking control of the paint.</div> Right, but I think with athletism on the frontline it allows you to do different things on defense to get stops. Most athleitc bigs are shot blockers that would have an effect on some of that penetration by Wade, also athletism helps you compete on the board better etc. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Even if you want to overlook Shaq, what about the Pistons. They have size and depth up front, as do the Pacers and Celtics. Plus the duo of Chandler & Curry are only going to get better if the Bulls decide to keep both of them.</div> There is no denying you need depth in your frontcourt. It just doesnt have to be guys who are slow and dont fit in with what you want to do with your team concept The Pistons frontline is one of athletism and size. And I think that is the perfect combination. But guys like Diop etc arent....and very few bigs in this league have such a combination of the two, so if you have to chioce between someone like Swift or someone like Doip & Potepnko, you go with Swift no only because he is a better player. But also because he is a better fit for the Nets concept.
The Nets needs to break the curse of off season bust. And players we always release comes to hunt us like stephen jackson and damon jones (wasnt he on our roster it was nice that he found a home)
Samuel Dalembert and Stromile Swift should both fit great in the Nets system of fast break. They are both similer players but I would prefer Dalembert over Swift. If the Nets can develop Dalembert like a nice little hook shot that he can use he may be a top center in the east. Both players have the ability to block shots and get out on the fast break with Kidd, RJ, and Carter. It's going to be tough to lure Dalembert away from Philly though, but I think Philly can swing a sign and trade deal with some draft picks involved. You guys can be getting one specieal player if you can get Dalembert but be willing to pay the price because Philly isn't going to give him up easily.
IMO It would be amazing to get either Swift or dalembert, and then either sign, trade or draft for another decent, athletic 4 or 5 and have Krstic come off the bench. Nenad is good but he would be too slow if the Nets want to run alot next year. they should try and get swift because their is no way philly'll give up dalembert after the way he played (the guys an offensive rebounding machine) in the playoffs, and then try and sign and trade for a cheaper but athletic big like Nazr mohammed or Raef Lafrentz, and then try and draft someone like Channing Frye or Augustine or Marvin Williams (if any of them enter and are not taken too high- Frye would be the ultimate steal if they could get him). They should also get rid of Collins if they can cuz hes an absolutre offensive joke.an cliff is too old. If they can do this: pg-kidd (best,vaughan) sg-vince (mercer, buford,vaughan) sf-RJ (mercer, buford,scalabrine) pf-swift (Krstic,scalabrine, Frye) c-Nazr (Krstic, Frye) They would not be incredibly deep, but that is one hell of a starting 5 and their bench would be fairly decent-they would be legit contenders for sure. I know getting Swift and Nazr is kinda far-fetched, but our cap situation aint that bad, and after Ratner's comments about screwin the luxury tax, its entirely possible.
