<div class="quote_poster">The Legend Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok... Why did you just ignore all my points and go off on the most off topic point of all my points. Does that mean you agree with all the points I posted above?</div> Nope. It's just that I got off topic too many times in this debate tourney. Kidd will probably just delete those posts. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq's size and strenght could be the problem of course. But he has been weighed down by injuries so much through out his carrier, he barley played minutes in the series. The problem was that Mouring and Shaq toghter was way to much for the Nets. We are not arguing on that though. It shows how bad of a coach Frank is by not running the ball through Kidd. Scott used Kidd to his fullest potential. Scott has the same coaching methods as Phil Jackson, he to uses the Triangle offense sometimes. That is the offense Kidd does best in.</div> Kidd also does great in the Princeton offense as much as he has in the triangle offense. Kidd doesn't need a coach to let him play to his full potential. It seems that you are forgetting this guy is now 34 years old and has had shaky knees since the surgery. Honestly, do you really expect a a front line of Krstic and Collins to out play or even compete with Shaq, Alonzo, and Haslem? Krstic is good, but when Haslem shut him down we had no big man. Collins is just as bad as Smush Parker. The only thing he is good for is post defense but he hasn't done well in that since he is also getting older and even more out of shape. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you honestly believe Lawrence Frank is a better Coach then Byron Scott??? </div> I didn't before this debate. I was going to defend Scott and say he was the better coach, but you already picked that option so it looked like i had no choice cause we can't agree on the main topic. But after reading what I said in this whole debate, I seemed to have changed my mind a bit regarding who is the better coach.
<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nope. It's just that I got off topic too many times in this debate tourney. Kidd will probably just delete those posts. </div> This whole debate has been off topic, so just run along with it. Kidd asked a horrible question to deabate on and you didn't seem to understand the question or something. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd also does great in the Princeton offense as much as he has in the triangle offense. Kidd doesn't need a coach to let him play to his full potential. It seems that you are forgetting this guy is now 34 years old and has had shaky knees since the surgery.</div> Kidd would do so much better in the triangle offense. Which is why I wanted Kidd on the Lakers. He is the pass first Point Gurad with a really high basketball IQ. He is a decent shooter and can play excellent defense. He has exceptional court vision. Those are excellent qualities for a triangle offese PG. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly, do you really expect a a front line of Krstic and Collins to out play or even compete with Shaq, Alonzo, and Haslem? Krstic is good, but when Haslem shut him down we had no big man. Collins is just as bad as Smush Parker. The only thing he is good for is post defense but he hasn't done well in that since he is also getting older and even more out of shape.</div> No I don't... thats why I said, your problem was Mouring and Shaq, not Shaq alone. Let me yet again refresh your memory... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The problem was that Mouring and Shaq toghter was way to much for the Nets.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't before this debate. I was going to defend Scott and say he was the better coach, but you already picked that option so it looked like i had no choice cause we can't agree on the main topic. But after reading what I said in this whole debate, I seemed to have changed my mind a bit regarding who is the better coach. </div> I understand, because it is a debate you are going with it. Which is more reason on why this is a horrible question. But, Lawrence Frank has done nothing to have him considered better then Scott. Instead of arguing, why or why not, let this sink in... Scott= 2 finals appearnces. Frank = 2 2nd round appearnces.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This whole debate has been off topic, so just run along with it. Kidd asked a horrible question to deabate on and you didn't seem to understand the question or something.</div> Yup, I agree. For some odd reason, that was the only question I could form up at the time. Just keep it going. Apologies all around.
Look at it this way. Lawrence Frank can't take a team with a weak front line past the second round, but Phil Jackson could barely take a team with Kobe Bryant into the playoffs. I understand that it is the "west", but still. Kobe is still one of the greatest players in the games history and Phil Jackson is supposedly the greatest coach of all time? Why hasn't this team won a championship since Shaq left? Cause they have no front line! I put it in bold so that even you could understand. The big three and Kobe could be equivalent at times. Krstic is better than Bynum and Kwame Brown combined. But Bynum and Brown together are much better post players than Krstic. Let me ask you this question, Legend. Why have the Lakers lost in the first one so easily after they lost Shaq? Why have the Nets been so unsuccessful without a good post big man? Why are both teams going hard at a post player by the name of Jermaine O'Neal? And further more, can you please name the last NBA champions without a good <u>post</u> big man (perimeter oriented team) I am not comparing Frank and Jackson, but if you look at it both are in similar situations right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Look at it this way. Lawrence Frank can't take a team with a weak front line past the second round, but Phil Jackson could barely take a team with Kobe Bryant into the playoffs. I understand that it is the "west", but still. Kobe is still one of the greatest players in the games history and Phil Jackson is supposedly the greatest coach of all time? Why hasn't this team won a championship since Shaq left? Cause they have no front line! I put it in bold so that even you could understand.</div> Ok... you seem to be way off-topic, now you want to talk about the Lakers? The Lakers for one, look at our supporting cast in the past few years. We were garbage, Im suprised we even won 40 games this season with all those injuries. Even if Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game, you can't expect him to lead a team with injured players. Even if they are healthy it isn't enough for any one to lead those players. The only player that is worth mentioned as a Laker is Odom. A lineup of Smush Parker/Jordan Farmar( Rookie..)/Willams Kobe Bryant/ Maurice Evans/ Sasha Walton/Odom (Both injured) Odom/Cook/Turiaf Kwmae (injured)/ Bynum is way worse on paper then a lineup of Kidd, Carter, Jefferson alone. I don't see what the Nets did compared to the Lakers. What has Carter done??? If you paired up Kidd, Kobe, Odom with all the players in the Lakers lineup wen healthy, I would say it is a WCF apperance guranteed. What do the Nets do? The most they do is win 2 games in the 2nd round with of the Greatest Pg's to play the game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The big three and Kobe could be equivalent at times. Krstic is better than Bynum and Kwame Brown combined. But Bynum and Brown together are much better post players than Krstic. Let me ask you this question, Legend. Why have the Lakers lost in the first one so easily after they lost Shaq? Why have the Nets been so unsuccessful without a good post big man? Why are both teams going hard at a post player by the name of Jermaine O'Neal? </div> Thats kind of sad, you are admiting that Kobe is as good as the big three at times. I don't think any Laker fan believes that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And further more, can you please name the last NBA champions without a good <u>post</u> big man (perimeter oriented team)</div> Im not asking you gs to win the finals, I said its kind of sad to not get out te east, or at least the ECF with the team you have. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I am not comparing Frank and Jackson, but if you look at it both are in similar situations right now.</div> You better not be comparing Frank and Jackson.
<div class="quote_poster">The Legend Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok... you seem to be way off-topic, now you want to talk about the Lakers? The Lakers for one, look at our supporting cast in the past few years. We were garbage, Im suprised we even won 40 games this season with all those injuries. Even if Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game, you can't expect him to lead a team with injured players. Even if they are healthy it isn't enough for any one to lead those players. The only player that is worth mentioned as a Laker is Odom. A lineup of Smush Parker/Jordan Farmar( Rookie..)/Willams Kobe Bryant/ Maurice Evans/ Sasha Walton/Odom (Both injured) Odom/Cook/Turiaf Kwmae (injured)/ Bynum is way worse on paper then a lineup of Kidd, Carter, Jefferson alone. </div> We also had problems in 2004-2006. Krstic was injured the whole year, Jefferson was injured, we had no bench. All we had was Kidd, Carter, and Krstic and you somehow expect us to win a like 60 games. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats kind of sad, you are admiting that Kobe is as good as the big three at times. I don't think any Laker fan believes that. </div> You do. You tell me that in person all the tme. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not asking you gs to win the finals, I said its kind of sad to not get out te east, or at least the ECF with the team you have.</div> Look at everything I posted above. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You better not be comparing Frank and Jackson.</div> I already said I'm not. Maybe I need to refresh your memory: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font size=""4"">I am not </font>comparing Frank and Jackson, but if you look at it both are in similar situations right now.</div>
