Gonna jump in here.... I think Pat has good instincts on defense because of his great position. Feel free to tell me he doesn't. If you do, I blame Stotts scheme.
Agree. Not trying to get in a 5 page debate over Chili P's defensive instincts, but I think Bones is completely wrong about that. Pat doesn't have the best lateral quickness, but he's getting playing time because of his instincts.
It's not necessarily bad positioning as it is his propensity to foul whenever he has good positioning.
If Mo hasn't figured it out by now, he's not going to next year either. He's just not as driven as he needs to be. He's got a lot of talent, but he just mentally checks out of games too often. I think Aminu is driven and works hard, but he just doesn't have the talent.
This summer? If he doesn't do something on Draft Day, I don't think he deserves to be here this summer. Draft Day he will have to package our pick with either Harkless or Aminu to make a trade for a legit starting SF. If he fails to do that, he's fired. Alternatively, he can use the TPE to acquire a starting SF...but I don't know how likely that is. Here's a list of players (floor of $2M) that we could absorb with our TPEs - who would you target that a team might be willing to give away for free? 91. Eric Gordon $12,943,020 $13,500,375 $14,057,730 $0 $0 92. Kenneth Faried $12,921,348 $13,764,045 $0 $0 $0 92. Thaddeus Young $12,921,348 $13,764,045 $0 $0 $0 94. Marcin Gortat $12,782,609 $13,565,218 $0 $0 $0 95. Cody Zeller $12,584,270 $13,528,090 $14,471,910 $15,415,730 $0 96. Nikola Mirotic $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $0 $0 $0 97. Miles Plumlee $12,400,000 $12,400,000 $12,400,000 $0 $0 99. Nikola Vucevic $12,250,000 $12,750,000 $0 $0 $0 100. Solomon Hill $12,236,535 $12,763,467 $13,290,395 $0 $0 101. Dion Waiters $12,100,000 $12,705,000 $13,310,000 $0 $0 102. Wilson Chandler $12,016,854 $12,800,562 $0 $0 $0 103. Jeremy Lin $12,000,000 $12,516,746 $0 $0 $0 103. Kemba Walker $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $0 $0 $0 106. Austin Rivers $11,825,000 $12,650,000 $0 $0 $0 107. Courtney Lee $11,747,890 $12,253,780 $12,759,670 $0 $0 109. Jordan Clarkson $11,562,500 $12,500,000 $13,437,500 $0 $0 110. John Henson $11,422,536 $10,577,466 $9,732,396 $0 $0 112. Alec Burks $10,845,506 $11,536,515 $0 $0 $0 113. Patrick Mills $10,714,286 $11,571,429 $12,428,571 $13,285,714 $0 114. Kelly Olynyk $10,607,169 $11,137,527 $11,667,885 $12,198,243 $0 115. Omer Asik $10,595,505 $11,286,516 $11,977,527 $0 $0 117. Bojan Bogdanovic $10,500,000 $10,500,000 $0 $0 $0 117. Mirza Teletovic $10,500,000 $10,500,000 $0 $0 $0 117. Terrence Ross $10,500,000 $10,500,000 $0 $0 $0 120. Jon Leuer $10,497,319 $10,002,681 $9,508,043 $0 $0 121. Iman Shumpert $10,337,079 $11,011,234 $0 $0 $0 122. Moe Harkless $10,162,922 $10,837,079 $11,511,234 $0 $0 123. Darren Collison $10,000,000 $10,000,000 $0 $0 $0 123. Danny Green $10,000,000 $10,000,000 $0 $0 $0 123. Jared Dudley $10,000,000 $9,530,000 $0 $0 $0 126. Meyers Leonard $9,904,495 $10,595,506 $11,286,515 $0 $0 127. Tony Snell $9,821,429 $10,607,143 $11,392,857 $12,178,571 $0 128. Al Jefferson $9,769,821 $10,000,000 $0 $0 $0 129. Matthew Dellavedova $9,607,500 $9,607,500 $9,607,500 $0 $0 130. Bogdan Bogdanovic $9,470,614 $9,000,000 $8,529,386 $0 $0 131. Andre Roberson $9,259,260 $10,000,000 $10,740,740 $0 $0 133. Dwight Powell $9,003,125 $9,631,250 $10,259,375 $0 $0 134. Jerryd Bayless $9,000,000 $8,575,916 $0 $0 $0 136. JaMychal Green $8,533,333 $7,866,667 $0 $0 $0 137. E'Twaun Moore $8,445,024 $8,808,685 $8,664,928 $0 $0 138. Rudy Gay $8,406,000 $8,826,300 $0 $0 $0 139. Kosta Koufos $8,393,000 $8,739,500 $0 $0 $0 140. Markieff Morris $8,000,000 $8,600,000 $0 $0 $0 140. Garrett Temple $8,000,000 $8,000,000 $0 $0 $0 143. CJ Miles $7,936,509 $8,333,333 $8,730,158 $0 $0 144. Cristiano Felicio $7,843,500 $8,470,980 $8,156,500 $7,529,020 $0 145. Shaun Livingston $7,692,308 $8,307,692 $7,692,308 $0 $0 146. Cory Joseph $7,630,000 $7,945,000 $0 $0 $0 147. PJ Tucker $7,590,035 $7,959,537 $8,349,039 $7,969,537 $0 150. Darrell Arthur $7,464,912 $7,464,912 $0 $0 $0 154. Cole Aldrich $7,300,000 $6,956,021 $0 $0 $0 155. DJ Augustin $7,250,000 $7,250,000 $7,250,000 $0 $0 156. Markelle Fultz $7,026,240 $8,339,880 $9,745,200 $12,288,697 $15,975,306 157. Louis Williams $7,000,000 $8,000,000 $8,000,000 $8,000,000 $0 157. Kyle Korver $7,000,000 $7,560,000 $7,500,000 $0 $0 157. Jeremy Lamb $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $0 $0 $0 161. Jae Crowder $6,796,117 $7,305,825 $7,815,533 $0 $0 162. Jabari Parker $6,782,392 $7,375,851 $0 $0 $0 163. Langston Galloway $6,666,667 $7,000,000 $7,333,333 $0 $0 164. Lance Thomas $6,655,325 $7,119,650 $7,583,975 $0 $0 168. Jonathon Simmons $6,300,000 $6,000,000 $5,700,000 $0 $0 170. Lonzo Ball $6,286,560 $7,461,960 $8,719,320 $11,003,782 $14,359,935 173. Karl-Anthony Towns $6,216,840 $7,839,435 $10,191,265 $0 $0 174. Ben Simmons $6,168,840 $6,434,520 $8,113,929 $10,548,108 $0 177. Dewayne Dedmon $6,000,000 $6,300,000 $0 $0 $0 177. Milos Teodosic $6,000,000 $6,300,000 $0 $0 $0 177. Ishmael Smith $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $0 $0 $0 177. Shelvin Mack $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $0 $0 $0 177. Alan Williams $6,000,000 $5,520,000 $5,520,000 $0 $0 184. Boban Marjanovic $5,881,260 $9,490,740 $0 $0 $0 184. Wesley Johnson $5,881,260 $6,134,000 $0 $0 $0 186. Tyler Johnson $5,821,260 $19,245,370 $19,245,370 $0 $0 187. Alex Abrines $5,725,000 $5,455,236 $0 $0 $0 188. Jayson Tatum $5,645,400 $6,700,800 $7,830,000 $9,897,120 $12,985,021 189. D'Angelo Russell $5,562,360 $7,019,698 $9,160,705 $0 $0 190. Brandon Ingram $5,519,400 $5,757,120 $7,265,485 $9,481,458 $0 191. Josh Smith $5,514,806 $5,331,729 $5,331,729 $0 $0 192. Patrick Beverley $5,513,514 $5,027,028 $0 $0 $0 193. Aaron Gordon $5,504,419 $7,260,329 $0 $0 $0 194. Deron Williams $5,474,787 $5,474,787 $5,474,787 $0 $0 197. Thabo Sefolosha $5,250,000 $5,250,000 $0 $0 $0 198. Jason Smith $5,225,000 $5,450,000 $0 $0 $0 199. Ben McLemore $5,200,000 $5,460,000 $0 $0 $0 200. Patrick Patterson $5,192,000 $5,451,600 $5,711,200 $0 $0 202. Josh Jackson $5,090,040 $6,041,520 $7,059,480 $8,930,242 $11,778,989 203. Marcus Morris $5,000,000 $5,375,000 $0 $0 $0 203. Mike Muscala $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $0 $0 $0 203. Dirk Nowitzki $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $0 $0 $0 208. Dante Exum $4,992,385 $6,619,903 $0 $0 $0 209. Alexis Ajinca $4,961,798 $5,285,394 $0 $0 $0 210. Jaylen Brown $4,956,480 $5,169,960 $6,534,829 $8,573,696 $0 211. Richard Jefferson $4,828,652 $2,612,500 $0 $0 $0 212. Kyle Singler $4,666,500 $4,996,000 $5,333,500 $0 $0 213. De'Aaron Fox $4,609,200 $5,470,920 $6,392,760 $8,099,627 $10,740,105 214. Marcus Smart $4,538,019 $6,053,718 $0 $0 $0 215. Kristaps Porzingis $4,503,600 $5,697,054 $7,514,414 $0 $0 216. Justin Holiday $4,500,000 $4,500,000 $0 $0 $0 217. Dragan Bender $4,468,800 $4,661,280 $5,896,519 $7,777,508 $0 219. Ron Baker $4,328,000 $4,544,000 $0 $0 $0 223. Jonathan Isaac $4,186,320 $4,969,080 $5,806,440 $7,362,565 $9,821,662 224. Lance Stephenson $4,180,000 $4,360,000 $0 $0 $0 225. Julius Randle $4,149,242 $5,564,134 $0 $0 $0 226. Kyle O'Quinn $4,087,500 $4,256,250 $0 $0 $0 228. Kris Dunn $4,046,760 $4,221,000 $5,348,007 $7,091,457 $0 229. Noah Vonleh $4,031,018 $4,749,590 $0 $0 $0 230. Jonas Jerebko $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $0 $0 $0 232. Jose Juan Barea $3,903,900 $3,710,850 $0 $0 $0 233. Jamal Murray $3,858,618 $4,549,740 $6,444,882 $5,960,404 $0 235. Lauri Markkanen $3,821,640 $4,536,120 $5,300,400 $6,731,508 $9,026,952 236. Nik Stauskas $3,807,146 $5,132,033 $0 $0 $0 237. Willie Cauley-Stein $3,704,160 $4,696,874 $6,265,631 $0 $0 239. Buddy Hield $3,675,480 $3,833,760 $4,861,207 $6,484,851 $0 241. Frank Ntilikina $3,501,120 $4,155,720 $4,855,800 $6,176,578 $8,326,027 243. Nenê $3,477,600 $3,651,480 $4,825,360 $0 $0 245. Troy Daniels $3,408,520 $3,258,539 $0 $0 $0 246. Emmanuel Mudiay $3,381,480 $4,294,479 $5,758,897 $0 $0 247. Elfrid Payton $3,332,340 $4,538,647 $0 $0 $0 248. Doug McDermott $3,294,994 $4,510,846 $0 $0 $0 249. Jodie Meeks $3,290,000 $3,454,500 $0 $0 $0 252. Dennis Smith $3,218,280 $3,819,960 $4,463,640 $5,686,677 $7,705,448 253. Zach LaVine $3,202,217 $4,428,666 $0 $0 $0 254. Ekpe Udoh $3,200,000 $3,360,000 $0 $0 $0 255. TJ Warren $3,152,930 $11,750,000 $10,810,000 $11,750,000 $12,690,000 256. Stanley Johnson $3,097,800 $3,940,401 $5,311,660 $0 $0 257. Thon Maker $3,086,784 $3,639,636 $5,175,983 $4,861,853 $0 258. Marquese Chriss $3,073,800 $3,206,160 $4,078,235 $5,497,461 $0 259. Zach Collins $3,057,240 $3,628,920 $4,240,200 $5,406,255 $7,363,319 263. Tomas Satoransky $3,000,000 $3,129,187 $0 $0 $0 264. Jusuf Nurkic $2,947,304 $4,140,963 $0 $0 $0 264. Lucas Nogueira $2,947,304 $4,140,963 $0 $0 $0 266. Malik Monk $2,904,480 $3,447,480 $4,028,400 $5,345,687 $7,318,245 267. Frank Kaminsky $2,847,600 $3,627,842 $4,915,726 $0 $0 268. Andrew Nicholson $2,844,429 $2,844,429 $2,844,429 $2,844,429 $2,844,429 269. Jakob Poeltl $2,825,640 $2,947,320 $3,754,885 $5,087,870 $0 270. Dario Saric $2,785,944 $3,284,892 $4,526,581 $6,228,575 $0 271. Luke Kennard $2,759,280 $3,275,280 $3,827,160 $5,273,826 $7,256,785 272. Justise Winslow $2,705,040 $3,448,926 $4,697,437 $0 $0 274. Cedi Osman $2,642,857 $2,775,000 $2,907,143 $0 $0 275. Donovan Mitchell $2,621,280 $3,111,480 $3,635,760 $5,195,501 $7,185,378 276. Gary Harris $2,550,055 $16,517,857 $17,839,286 $19,160,714 $20,482,143 277. Domantas Sabonis $2,550,000 $2,659,800 $3,529,554 $4,831,960 $0 278. Manu Ginobili $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $0 $0 $0 278. Reggie Bullock $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $0 $0 $0 281. Bam Adebayo $2,490,360 $2,955,840 $3,454,080 $5,115,492 $7,115,650 282. Myles Turner $2,483,040 $3,294,994 $4,510,846 $0 $0 283. Bruno Caboclo $2,451,224 $3,512,604 $0 $0 $0 285. Trey Lyles $2,441,400 $3,364,249 $3,706,357 $0 $0 286. Taurean Prince $2,422,560 $2,526,840 $3,481,985 $4,791,212 $0 287. Rodney Hood $2,386,864 $3,472,887 $0 $0 $0 288. Justin Jackson $2,365,560 $2,807,880 $3,280,920 $5,029,650 $7,031,451 289. Shabazz Napier $2,361,359 $3,452,308 $0 $0 $0 290. Clint Capela $2,334,528 $3,429,421 $0 $0 $0 299. Devin Booker $2,319,360 $3,314,365 $4,583,766 $0 $0 300. Georgios Papagiannis $2,301,360 $2,400,480 $3,430,285 $4,744,085 $0 302. Guerschon Yabusele $2,247,480 $2,667,600 $3,117,240 $4,781,846 $6,718,494 302. Justin Patton $2,247,480 $2,667,600 $3,117,240 $4,781,846 $6,718,494 304. Monta Ellis $2,245,400 $2,245,400 $2,245,400 $2,245,400 $2,245,400 305. Cameron Payne $2,203,440 $3,263,294 $4,539,242 $0 $0 306. Denzel Valentine $2,186,400 $2,280,600 $3,377,568 $4,698,197 $0 308. Kyle Anderson $2,151,704 $3,227,556 $0 $0 $0 309. DJ Wilson $2,135,040 $2,534,280 $2,961,120 $4,548,280 $6,422,172 319. Darius Miller $2,100,000 $2,205,000 $0 $0 $0 320. Kelly Oubre $2,093,040 $3,208,630 $4,485,665 $0 $0 321. Juan Hernangomez $2,076,840 $2,166,360 $3,321,029 $4,642,799 $0 322. TJ Leaf $2,028,360 $2,407,560 $2,813,280 $4,326,825 $6,139,764 323. Spencer Hawes $2,007,058 $2,007,058 $2,007,058 $0 $0
That is a long list and SF seems to be the least represented. I am guessing the younger players (1-2 years in the league) are not options as they do not make much, so little need for their contract to be absorbed. Maybe take a one year chance on Rudy Gay while we draft a young SF? SA may want to create cap space. He played well before his heal injury. He would be 32 next year. Has a player option but I bet he would opt in coming off of an injury.
But you see things through rode-colored glasses. I've never seen you criticize the team or front office, so this doesnt surprise me. What is Pats and Moes ceiling then?
I believe that after the last game of the season, when the luxury tax is calculated, they will switch from money saving mode to doing whatever it takes to make the team better. It was rumored yesterday that Denver was willing to give up a 1st if someone takes Faried from them. I'd do that (or a similar type of move) so that we have two picks. Right now that would be 18th and 20th, who knows how it will play out. You can then do several things. Trade those picks along with other players for someone that comes available, package those picks to move up into the later part of the lottery and target the best available wing (One of the Bridges, Knox, etc), or just keep the two picks and draft two wings (similar to the two bigs we took last year). One of those options could potentially lead to the small forward we need. Several of the people on that list are restricted free agents and can't be traded. We'll have the tax-MLE to add someone too. We also have the smaller $3.6 million exception from yesterday's trade that we could go after one of the lower priced players on that list, maybe someone like Denzel Valentine. There will be options IF this team decides to use those options.
I find it difficult to believe that a guy that has a stiffy for guys like Hezonja and Hernangomez isn’t just as excited about Patty C.
nah...I just find something to enjoy every season...others would rather find something to complain about every season...nothing new...I've criticized the Blazers plenty....especially the Felton era....but in the end...we have guys I can root for...and that's just more fun than going game after game saying fuck this team, coach, player...etc...I think Mo and Pat will improve..young guys with talent and health....I don't need ceilings for players to evaluate...you should consider a career in scouting....it seems to be something you're passionate about...I just like the Blazers...supporting your team doesn't need to be a character flaw....Go Blazers
