No Comments on the "Dream Act" Passing the House last night?

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  1. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Yes, unlike barfo, I wasn't saying you were advocating shooting all Mexicans. Just that you've been plenty racist about Mexicans as that quote of yours clearly illustrates.

    It's not the same and doesn't have to be the same. Labeling nearly all of an ethnicity or race as either murderous or cowardly is textbook prejudice. You don't have to say "all" for that to be true. Saying "A large minority of whites are stupid and most of the rest are evil" would also be prejudiced, even though the statement doesn't make a claim about all of them.
     
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    It's not racist, as Mexican is not a race. It is a nationality and I use the term correctly to refer to Mexican citizens regardless of their race. Again, race is not any part of this arguement.

    As for cowardly/lazy, the collapse of their society with only a handful of heroes stepping forward to fight for it clearly demonstrates this.

    BTW, why are you defending Barfo? He called most Americans (most of whom are caucasian) stupid.
     
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    I misspoke. I know that stopping illegal immigration isn’t the intent of the DREAM Act. I should have said that the act doesn’t make any movement toward slowing the flow into the country. It’s status quo for illegal immigration. There is nothing in the bill that makes me want to help pick up the tab for it’s cost.

    If I were to propose how to stop illegal immigration, it would be through denying jobs to undocumented workers. Fine employers heavily, per occurrence, when they hire illegal aliens. Labor provided by illegal aliens would not be allowed as a business expense. If there are no jobs for undocumented workers, why would they come here?

    I would also propose that they build the fences. Building parts of it doesn’t do shit but waste the money.

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    The concept of race is pretty ambiguous and the term "racism" is often used in a more general way, but even then, I switched to the terms "prejudice" and "ethnicity," so lawyer-ball doesn't work here. :)
     
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    Is the path for Latinos more difficult than the path for other nationalities?

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    Again you lie about me. I never said anything that could be mistaken for that.

    You are deliberately substituting stupid for believing in nonsense, because you have no argument. You are simply here to bait and act the class clown.

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    What percentage of the immigrants that benefit from this bill will be non-Latino?

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    Latinos, literally, no. A Latino who is say, a citizen of Switzerland, would probably not have a very difficult time immigrating.

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    What difference does it make?

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    Ethnicity does not apply for the same reason, and you've produced no hint of evidence that my view is prejudiced rather than an accurate conclusion based on the recent collapse into hell their country has taken.
     
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    Link?
     
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    Absolutely none.
     
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    That makes perfect sense. Of course, that would also be easy to do, so we have to ask ourselves why it hasn't been done.

    Agree with you on the parts of it part, but I don't think it makes sense to build a 2000 mile fence. That's so 5th century BC.
    Remove the economic incentive and you don't have to build the fence.

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    There are many incentives of an economic nature that have nothing to do with employment.

    Most illegals come here for the myriad of free social and educational services provided, the cleaner environment, the access to modern conveniences such as indoor plumbing, libraries with pcs...

    Building a fence and shooting those who climb it is 100% effective and much cheaper than trying to continually check in person every single hire made of a non-citizen (obviously impossible).
     
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    Dropping 1000 nukes on Mexico would also be very effective. But like your plan, it lacks something in morality.

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    It's the relevant immigration law.

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    It hasn't been done because there is no political will to do it. The Democrats want the Hispanic vote and the Republicans want the cheap labor. The citizens just get to pick up the tab.

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    Exact opposites.

    One is an immoral aggressive act of war against a non-aggressive country.

    The other a justifiable act of self-defense against an invading horde of Mexican deserters.
     

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