I think Meyers has a higher ceiling, but Vonleh is more likely to hit his ceiling than Meyers is. Per 36min, Meyers hit 14pts and 15reb last year. Meyers ceiling seems to be a decent rim protector who could average 18-20 pts and 13 rebounds with somewhat of a Dirk game. But, I think it will be hard for him to hit that. I can see Vonleh averaging 15-20 pts and 11 reb and holding there pretty easily.
U & I r not too far off on what u r saying here. I think Meyers ceiling is 18 & 10 (I'd b VERY surprised if he averages this many boards; reality will b more like 16pts/game w/ 8 rebs/game; which is very good & I'd b happy w/ this When he starts playing/starting entire games & when he's actually on ppl's radar/scouting reports + fatigue, the #'s change) max; I'd b over the moon if he gets here Vonleh has higher scoring ability/instincts in the post (this includes getting to the line) & of course can also stretch the floor (I think over both of their careers Meyers will shoot the 3 better bc he's already proven that he can knock that down quite well) well. Vonleh's ceiling is 20pts/game & I think he'll definitely get to averaging 18pts/game. He's a very good rebounder too; I like Meyers as a rebounder BUT I believe Vonleh will b better. I think Vonleh will easily average 10rebs/game eventually & his ceiling would b 11rebs/game. So w/ all ^ being said, obviously this coming season, Meyers will currently put up far superior actual #'s v. Vonleh but eventually... if we still have both these guys, our team will b lookin' nice @ these positions!
I think Meyers is fully capable of getting 10+ boards. I think his drop off will be in scoring. He was very efficient because he was the 4th or 5th player on the floor other teams worried about. If he is getting 2nd or 3rd option attention, I believe it will be much harder for him to score, unless he develops a post game.
I agree with what you said. I think Meyers will be a 10/10 player until he starts developing a post game. That's not bad IMO. If he develops a post game, he could easily be a 20/10 player. I think Vonleh has the ability to get to a 10/10 much easier, with the opportunity to be a 18/10 player much quicker. I think he has the ability to get those "GARBAGE BUCKETS" with hustle and knowing how to use his size. Personally, I would love both players and pray that Leonard could somehow learn to post up and play help defense. A Leonard and Vonleh reach their potential front court would be impossible to stop 2-3 years from now.
The upside is Meyers assists will probably go way up. He's one of the best passers on the team..rare for a big man. I think our passing game will be much improved over the last few seasons.
Yup - he's a great passer. One of the things I most like about him is his ability to make the outlet pass. He hasn't done it much, because we've rarely ran as a team. But on a few occasions he's snared a rebound in traffic, immediately turned up-court and rifled off an accurate outlet pass. That's SO valuable. Terry had better make use of this.
Yes sir! I think THIS season his assists will look something like 2.1/game (this is actually a big boost v. his last season .6/game @ 15.4min/game) & after this season they will go up!
If I were king/coach, I would be tempted to put Meyers in the high post and run a lot through him. Set picks and roll for the dunk; high post passing to cutters Henderson and Aminu (and almost everyone else on the team); and hit the open jumper if they leave him. He isn't a great offensive rebounder (better on the defensive boards) so you don't lose much by keeping him in the high post.
I think we can do a LOT of high-low w/ ALL of our bigs; Meyers will probably b the 1 mostly to dump it down to the guy goin' to the hoop or for the 'oop!
I 100% agree! It's totally weird I'm saying this because I used to think he could never get the game. Glad I was wrong because that is extremely valuable for a big man.
I 100% agree with this. Run him like we did with Sabas years ago. He has good court awareness and shooting range, which will take away the defender in the post. If Vonleh and Leonard turn out to be as good as they can be, the bigs would be worried about both players being able to hit the open J. It would give so much room for Dame and the other playmakers inside.
Good pt. I think it's also a reason Gerald Henderson could have a career year. He's not playing with slow Al Jefferson in the post anymore.
Leonard is only 22. Just look at the progress he's made. He was an utter joke his rookie season, and by year 3 he was going toe to toe with Marc Gasol in the playoffs. A lot of people have been absolutely certain of Leonard's ceiling pretty much since we drafted him, and pretty much all of those people have been proven wrong so far. And yet here we are again. His biggest knocks are that he has a very slow release, a penchant for taking only absolutely wide open shots, and (although not the buffoon he once was) still has a bit to learn about court awareness. Those are definitely hurdles that will prevent him from ever being an All-Star, but they are far from un-surmountable, especially given how he's progressed so far. I look at his size, athleticism, speed, shooting ability and physique, and most importantly the progress he made to get to this point, and I think he has a legit shot at an Aldridge career path (hopefully minus the exodus). I don't know that this is his ceiling. But it's probably something between that and Mehmet Okhur.
Anyway, I'm much less optimistic about Vonleh's upside, just because I haven't been following him except in one summer league. He looked great, and all the combine stuff looks great. I just have this gnawing feeling that there's something Charlotte knows that I don't. *shrug* I mean, if a hot blonde with a magnificent body walks up and offers to have sex with you, she must have AIDS or something, right? This can't be that easy, can it?
Well......the front office Michael Jordan has definitely shown he isn't even in the same universe as the player Michael Jordan. And while Harkless doesn't appear to have the same upside as Vonleh, we got him for virtually spit and used chewing gum. So yes, it can be that easy. In many ways it's a result of the current salary cap situation. Charlotte tried to unload Zeller first but had no takers. Vonleh was next man up. And IMO, even if Vonleh is a bust, we still received a proven player in Henderson, while only giving up an inconsistent and worn down Batum. So either way, it rates as a wash at worst and a helluva deal at best.
I wouldn't know, but Mags might. I do agree that if both Vonleh and Leonard reach their full potential, Leonard wins because of his superior size, quickness and money shot. He has just taken a slow path (understandable given his bball background), which makes it look like he may never fully grow into his body/skill set. Vonleh seems to be very close to using his body fully. His handle and inside game just look more ready to burst. In the end I hope both do great because they could be a fantastic duo considering they both move well and can both shoot.
