Non-gender entity sues it's employer $500k b/c they referred to it as a woman.

Dumb broad...

 

Everyone is a special flower!

How can anyone in a large company even keep track of something like this? Should we ban all use of "he" and "she" just to be safe? Company wide memo that "Employee X" has no gender and should be referred to as "they" (and not "it")?

 

Her attorney is fresh out of law school and can't find a job with a firm. That tells me she shopped around but had to scrape the bottom ob the barrell.

 

Oh fucking brother........or sister.

 

You think so? You've spent plenty of time on this board. Really, who's more sophisticated?

But really.... I know for myself, after years of education, it's hard for me to refer to someone in grammatical context that goes against everything I've ever been taught. My grammar now is far from perfect, but generally, it reflects the education I received (or that which I still remember). Changing a simply "her" or "him" to "they" is just grammatically wrong. It sounds simple enough to make the change, but even as I've tried examples out loud, it simply feels like putting my left shoe on my right foot. Does that make me a bigot? I'm not saying I wouldn't tolerate the person. I'm not saying I wouldn't accept the person. I'm not saying I wouldn't consider changing my reference if that person had the gall to talk to me directly and explain their issue directly with me. But short of that, I wouldn't change years of education.

But yeah.... this whole thing is bullshit. I'm not saying this person wasn't mistreated. But petty, bullshit lawsuits like this are completely ridiculous. This could have been handled so differently by everyone involved, including the plaintiff. The problem is most people lack the ability to take the effort to make change, and continue status quo until they explode, blame everyone else, and file suit.

EDIT: BTW, at 31, I'm flattered you'd think I'd have a 4th grader. That'd make her 9/10 and me 21 or so when she was born. Fuck that shit! I barely knew how to make it home at 21 (given the amount of partying my friends and I did at that time of my life).

 

According to them, their co-workers continued to call them "miss", "lady", and "little lady" after being asked not to. So, not being a dick could be one tactic.

Honestly, I don't know what the solution is beyond that. They asked the managers to make everyone go to sensitivity training, which I think is way overeaching (but certainly not unheard of).

 

Good point.

I agree with "they" sounding weird. It took me a while to write the response to El Prez up there because I kept typing "she" and then correcting myself. We are of a generation where using "they" as a singular gender neutral pronoun is weird, but not impossible. The next generation will have less of a problem with it, and so on and so forth until it becomes accepted. Linguistics has been talking about "they" morphing into a gender neutral singular pronoun for years, long before this kind of thing made national news. It's just the course of natural language evolution.

All I'm trying to get at is that people should call people what they want to be called instead of writing them off as being dramatic or childish. People don't go and self-identify as something difficult to understand or abstract on a whim. Why would you when there is such a negative reaction to it?

Agree 100%. The lawsuit is ridiculous.

 

I'm younger than you and I definitely feel the same way as Maris, as do most people my age, so you better get used to it. I honestly think your view on this is childish and stupid. And it's not because so few people believe what you do, it's because it's just pointless and ridiculous. Creating drama for no reason other than to make money and feel "different".

 

From now on, call me "Koko The Monkey"

hoop fam

 

Isn't that disrespectful to monkies?

 

Agreed on all accounts. My ultimate point was that the lawsuit was ridiculous.

My next point is that you are wasting your time defending your stance. I think most people here agree that people should be treated with respect and as they would like to be treated. But I have no doubt that most people here tend to waaaaayyyyyyy overreact to the negative and attack this person because the lawsuit is bullshit and utterly ridiculous. It's that feeling of being so flabbergasted by such a suit being filed, that we tend to go overboard the other way and blast the victim. At least I'd like to think that's what's going on here.

 

I went to grad school with a transvestite who became transgender during his/her time at school. He/she was fucking hilarious about it. There wasn't a joke you could crack that Rich/Richelle wouldn't one up you on. Far from making people adjust to his/her situation, he/she tried to make people comfortable with it. He/she would answer to both Rich or Richelle, and wouldn't have minded at all if you called him/her "he" or "she". He/she understood that people at their heart aren't discriminatory, people just have a difficult time with unusual situations.

My friend is gone now, but I know he/she would have thought this person is giving all transgendered people a bad name.

 

... If you believe, and rightly so, that the lawsuit is ridiculous, then why are you calling it the 'victim'?

The "victim" chose to surgically alter its genitilia, it should be sueing itself if it's embarassed/sensitive about it. The fact it is instead drawing further attention to itself with this lawsuit and getting upset about being called "miss" or "lady", when it's name is Valeria and it looks like a girl, well that just proves its agenda all along- To get attention and to look for any possible slight by society so that it can get a free hand-out. Therefore it deserves all the blasting its getting.

 

Anyone remember Renee Richards? He was a failed pro tennis player who got a sex change operation to play on the women's tour. Anyway, the USTA had to create a new division- mixed singles. You can read about it in his new book, Tennis Without Balls.

 

Being respectful to people's identity is childish and stupid?

 

I studied in Morocco with two trans people and they were also really open and funny about it, as well as forgiving with people who had a hard time wrapping their heads around their gender. But yeah, trans people are just normal folks. Some will be cool and others will be uptight assholes and others will be the type to sue for 500k when their coworkers don't call them their preferred pronoun.

 

That's how "they" chooses to definitely (it would be "chooses" if I said "he" or "she", but now should it be "choose"?).

I don't disagree on any level. I've already stated several times it's BS. You are right - "they" is not a victim, but the plaintiff. I used "victim" because that's how the story attempts to paint "they". My point to hoojacks was that he was wasting his time defending "they" - ridiculousness gets met with ridiculousness. I was more defending the S2 crowd and saying you guys are a fair crowd. You guys are responding to the ridiculousness of the lawsuit with exaggerated disgust, intended or not, because the whole thing is a crock.

 

Yeah I wouldn't care about they if they didn't try to sue for 500k just because they aren't being called they.

They should just change their name to They.

..Or "Teh ghey"

 

Bolded comments are mine.

We brought you into this world and we can damn well take you out.

 

Yes, I have. I've met plenty of gender queer people and many of them prefer being referred to as "they." Sorry, this isn't just fiction designed to get your old man panties in a twist. It is many people's reality. Deal with it.

And you've never said or heard someone say "they" when referring to a person of unknown gender? Fill in the blank:

A: "The bus driver was rude to me today."
B: "Really? What did ____ say to you?"

It's not my link. I didn't start the thread. I looked at multiple stories to make sure I wasn't misreading this. Where did you find the direct testimony?