<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see Kerr trading away both Amare and Marion. That would be retarded. Nash wouldn't be happy if he doesn't get at least some talent in return.</div> They'd get KG. From what I'm hearing they would trade Amare and get KG and trade Marion for a lottery pick and go after Noah/Brewer/Yi/Green, someone like that. So it's not like they aren't getting talent back.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, never say Joakim Noah. That's not the say as Marion or Amare. Corey Brewer would be a decent pickup but the fact remains that KG would want to go to Phoenix to at least play with either Amare or Marion, not neither of them.</div> Noah would excel in the Suns system. He can run the floor with the best of them and the Suns would use his playmaking abilities. Not to mention he can play defense. The fact is KG is going to Phoenix to play with 2 time MVP Steve Nash. I agree that they should keep either Amare and Marion, but it's not like they aren't getting talent in return for them.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">They'd get KG. From what I'm hearing they would trade Amare and get KG and trade Marion for a lottery pick and go after Noah/Brewer/Yi/Green, someone like that. So it's not like they aren't getting talent back.</div> Its the other way around, Marion is involved in the KG trade and Amare would go to the Hawks for #3 or #11, or he would go to the Hornets for #8. <div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, never say Joakim Noah. That's not the say as Marion or Amare. Corey Brewer would be a decent pickup but the fact remains that KG would want to go to Phoenix to at least play with either Amare or Marion, not neither of them.</div> KG and Nash with the rest of the Phonix team and young talent still seems deadly. The Suns seem to be dangling Amare because he has some type of ego problem to play second fiddle to Nash and Marion dosen't like playing 3rd fiddle to Amare and Nash. So, I don't think Amare would like to play 3rd fiddle to KG and Nash.
Amare would still get his 20/10 avgs. though with KG and Nash. KG isn't exactly a fastbreak kind of player in my opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, never say Joakim Noah. That's not the say as Marion or Amare. Corey Brewer would be a decent pickup but the fact remains that KG would want to go to Phoenix to at least play with either Amare or Marion, not neither of them.</div> That's what I was saying but it came out wrong I guess. Basically what I tried to say is that on one end Kerr has told Marion he's pretty much gone while at the same time trying to shop Amare who said he wants to carry the team. One of them is going to stay and whoever does probably won't be happy they were involved in trade talks. Either way back to look at things from the Lakers prospective. I heard that the org tried to justify being so reluctant (see: in love with) to trade Bynum by saying that if he were to be in the draft this year he would easily be the third pick. Any thoughts on that? I mean so much could have been done with the team if they were willing to give up with Bynum (who I haven't personally been too impressed with) and seems to be the root of Kobe's problems. I mean KG is 31 but he hasn't show any signs of wearing down. Passing on that has opened so many doors for other teams to get KG that the Lakers may have just screwed themselves.
<div class="quote_poster">sunsfan1357 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's what I was saying but it came out wrong I guess. Basically what I tried to say is that on one end Kerr has told Marion he's pretty much gone while at the same time trying to shop Amare who said he wants to carry the team. One of them is going to stay and whoever does probably won't be happy they were involved in trade talks. Either way back to look at things from the Lakers prospective. I heard that the org tried to justify being so reluctant (see: in love with) to trade Bynum by saying that if he were to be in the draft this year he would easily be the third pick. Any thoughts on that? I mean so much could have been done with the team if they were willing to give up with Bynum (who I haven't personally been too impressed with) and seems to be the root of Kobe's problems. I mean KG is 31 but he hasn't show any signs of wearing down. Passing on that has opened so many doors for other teams to get KG that the Lakers may have just screwed themselves.</div> They never passed up on KG... Mchale wants young players and high draft picks. The staright up trade does not work for Minny. He dosen't think Odom, Bynum, Kwame or Odom, Bynum, and the #19 is enough.
What about the three team trade that was report with Boston? Weren't they supposed to give up Bynum and Odom and get KG while Minny gets something else from Boston? There have been so many trade scenarios lately that my head has been spinning for about a week straight so forgive me if I got a situation wrong from the Lakers end.
The problem is, the organization is too stupid to get Charlotte involved. Bernie Bickerstaff has voiced his wants to be a third team in a Minny/LA deal. The Bobcats want Odom, they want some veteran leadership, the don't want their 8th pick. Odom to Charlotte, Brevin Knight, the 8th pick, Andrew Bynum, and Kwame Brown to Minnesota...throw in the 19th pick if they want it, and KG to the Lakers.
<div class="quote_poster">sunsfan1357 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What about the three team trade that was report with Boston? Weren't they supposed to give up Bynum and Odom and get KG while Minny gets something else from Boston? There have been so many trade scenarios lately that my head has been spinning for about a week straight so forgive me if I got a situation wrong from the Lakers end.</div> It was a four team deal with the Pacers, Lakers, Celtics, and Timberwolves. The Pacers get Bynum and Odom. Celtics get JO. Lakers get KG. Minny gets Al Jefferson and #5, or #5, Ratiff, and Gerald Green. Boston killed the trade, they said they were never involdes and so on... Like you said there have been so many trade possiblities.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The problem is, the organization is too stupid to get Charlotte involved. Bernie Bickerstaff has voiced his wants to be a third team in a Minny/LA deal. The Bobcats want Odom, they want some veteran leadership, the don't want their 8th pick. Odom to Charlotte, Brevin Knight, the 8th pick, Andrew Bynum, and Kwame Brown to Minnesota...throw in the 19th pick if they want it, and KG to the Lakers.</div> That trade sounds ideal.
No offense, but I still think that KG is worth more than Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Brevin Knight, #8, and #19, but you are definitely on the right track of making a good deal. It's definitely solid for a team rebuilding with 2 picks, cap space, and a young big though, so I could see them doing it, but I do think they can get more talent in return.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No offense, but I still think that KG is worth more than Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Brevin Knight, #8, and #19, but you are definitely on the right track of making a good deal. It's definitely solid for a team rebuilding with 2 picks, cap space, and a young big.</div> Minnesota should know by now that a team hardly ever receives fair value for a superstar. Especially a superstar who has made a list of where he wants to go. Other teams basically say "your guy want to leave now accept this or you're going to go through hell with an unhappy player the whole season." McHale is staying strong by going through with a deal so far, but we'll see how long it lasts.
I think McHale will crack and eventually give up KG for something that is definitely unfair just to get KG out of his hair.
<div class="quote_poster">sunsfan1357 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Minnesota should know by now that a team hardly ever receives fair value for a superstar. Especially a superstar who has made a list of where he wants to go. Other teams basically say "your guy want to leave now accept this or you're going to go through hell with an unhappy player the whole season." McHale is staying strong by going through with a deal so far, but we'll see how long it lasts.</div> Yeah I understand they are not going to get fair value for him, but does he have a list of where he wants to go? I never heard him say that he wants to go ___, ___, or ____, like Kobe did. Anyway he doesn't have a no trade clause so if Minnesota really wanted to get rid of them they could trade KG wherever they please. They won't, since KG did so much for their organization and was extremely loyal, but in essence they could. btw, I edited my last post to say I can see why the Twolves would do a deal similar, but I still think they could get more.
It's actually been reported KG wants Phx or any big city (LA, Chicago, NY). He rejected a trade to Boston. Marketing move?
He rejected the Boston trade last week and the news that he wants Phx or a major city has been out for 3 days, now. Anyways, I was just reading over at Lakerground.net that a major media outlet, I think it was yahoo sports just reported that the deal to Phx is pretty much done. Atl gives up it's two picks and some expiring K's, they get Amare, and Phx gets KG. I think that is a terrible trade for Phx, honestly.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Phoenix loses out a lot in this trade. Will Nash be upset?</div> Phoenix loses out? Isn't the deal for them essentially Amare and fillers for KG? Amare was disgruntled in Phoenix playing 2nd fiddle anyway. I don't think it's that bad of a deal for Phoenix. If anyone loses out it has to be Minnesota. #3 and #11 and cap space. They have 3 lotto picks now, but not much more than that on their roster. Looks like they'll go after #1 pick next year.
