Now I have to hear a year of this worthless Derek Jeter crap

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  1. Messiah717

    Messiah717 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    So we're only looking at the last five years now?
     
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    Its amazing that your hatred for the guy runs so deep that you have to base his entire career on what his OPS has averaged for the last 5 years. Let me ask you something, now this may be tough for you to answer since your knowledge for the game is minimal at best. But in those last 5 years lets look at 2012. How many 38 year old players have had seasons where they led the league in hits (216), battered over 300 (316), had an OBP of .362, an OPS of .791 & finished in the top 10 MVP voting? I'll wait.
     
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    Messiah: are you even paying attention?

    These isn't some obscure sabermetric, just simple stats that anyone should be able to understand.

    Anyways, as i've already mentioned, i don't think there is much else left to be said on here that already hasn't been, and we're just going in circles, so i'm done with this thread and you and the rest of the fanboys can enjoy some time alone gazing at greatness of Jeter without anyone disagreeing with you.
     
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    Mess, does this really surprise you. Anyone who spends a second of his time looking to denigrate the career and accomplishments of a first time shoo in hall of famer like Derek Jeter whose only question will be how high his percentage will be he is elected with is hard to take seriously. I've gotten used to it as he is the same way during the ranger season antagonizing one poster after the other with his condescending tone and off the wall statements.
     
  5. Messiah717

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    It's defined pretty much in what I said earlier. We can all have opinions as long as they're ones he agrees with.
     
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    Of course you're done with this thread, because NO ONE is agreeing with you. So you do what most kids do when they get hurt or angry, you take your ball & run home. Which explains why you've elected to delete several of my posts instead of responding to them. like post #179. whats wrong, too tough to answer. Of course it is.
     
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    You know that thing where people make the letter "L" on there foreheads, Something tells me this kid gets that a lot.
     
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    Jeter was never a great hitter. He was never a great fielder. He wasnt even really a good fielder.

    What Jeter had though was a fantastic career. No disputing that.

    He strung together a lot of really good seasons a few good ones and some average seasons into a remarkable career.

    It's funny how everyone jumps on anyone who doesn't talk about his greatness even though he didn't have many great seasons.

    The facts are the facts. Zero MVPs. Zero batting titles. Never led the league in ANY statistical category. Largely recognized by experts as a good defensive SS with lousy range even in his prime.

    Last time I checked you can be an all time great HOFer and be over rated. That's Derek Jeter


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    Passions on both sides in this discussion. Tempers flare. Can we try and get our point across by being more civil?

    I didnt edit, didnt delete. I undeleted posts that were deleted. Why? Similar to other posts that were allowed to stand.

    Everyone try and be a bit more civil. Thanks.
     
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    Come on Dis, Never a great hitter or a good fielder but somehow that equates to a fantastic career?? What???
    The facts 8 top 10 mvp finishes including the 2 he got hosed out of. No batting titles despite seasons he batted .324,.349, ..339, ..324, ..343, ..322, .334, which in many years would have won batting titles. He did lead the league twice in hits which is a statistical category including at age 38. How many guys played 20 seasons and have a lifetime .312 average? As for all time great HOFer and be over rated I'm interested in one or two of those previous players you could name that are all time HOFers and are considered overrated? Seattle huh?? LOL
     
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    Fine Derek Jeter is an overrated all time great. That makes so much sense we should just leave it at that.
     
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    Now dis is citing popularity contest articles as statistical evidence? Pathetic. Should have read the Daily Snooze article a little more thoroughly dis since despite players saying Jeter was overrated he was voted #2 player to build a team around behind Aroid. Also if the Pirates had drafted Jeter out of HS 31, he most likely would have gone to Michigan instead of going pro. Still looks like it's 2 haters against the board though as a Mariner fan you have no point of reference to judge baseball greatness dis.
     
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    I blame this thread's longevity on Glen's inactivity. Somebody needs to dip one of the old coot's cigars in Geritol to wake his ass up and get him to start resigning a few key pieces instead of obscure undersized Europeans. Let's Go Glen!
     
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    He had a couple of great seasons but mostly good or very good ones. Why is that so bad to admit??? His greatest value was he played a premium position at SS and put up MUCH better numbers for most of his career than avg SS who outside of a handful of players mostly cannot hit.

    I dont think career avg of .312 with 15 HR a year makes him a GREAT hitter. I think it makes him a good hitter. Because he is a SS he is great. He had the same career batting avg as Garciaparra (I know Jeter is better, he was way more durable and played longer before you jump all over me).

    Defensively he wasnt great. I dont think there is anyone who can dispute that.

    The reason why Jeter is great is because he played well for 20 years for mostly good to great teams, played well in the playoffs and won 5 rings.

    Why do you think his peers think he is over rated?? They would know him better than anyone on this board. I am sure its just jealousy, eh?
     
  17. Disturbed

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    Come on were all Ranger fans first and foremost

    What does me being a Mariners fan have to do with anything?

    And if you dont like the Daily Snooze here is the Post ;-) Its an SI poll anyway

    http://nypost.com/2008/06/20/player-poll-jeter-overrated/
     
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    The 2008 poll also listed Arod as overrated. Pretty much shows how much worth it had back then. We may not like Alex now and things have certainly gone to crap but looking at his 2007 season and his career prior to that what exactly was overrated?
     
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    Holy shit are you really serious with this. I would have expected this from your little friend that been hanging onto your coat tails for moral support but not from you. I mean the first link is from 7 years ago & on the 2nd one 7% voted Jeter as over rated? 7%? Not exactly over-whelming now is it? LMAO.

    This thread has officially hit the comedic mark.
     
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    Probably the fact that he never performed in games that mattered. I agree with your point though.

    I just thought it was interesting. I like the discussion even though all the Yankee fans think I am am crazy
     

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