Now I have to hear a year of this worthless Derek Jeter crap

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/bi...ays-bad-defense-wins-undeserve?urn=mlb-283888

 

Well put Panze, I never realized how many frustrated Mutt fans there are on this board. And great point on Jeters size and jumping ability that made plays not many others can on line drives that shows up nowhere. One thing that always bothered me on range is which metric, war, score, lmnop , etc takes into acct that someone looks out of position or can't get to a ball somewhere do their placing by their so-called genius coaches. As for A-rod's GG's and range I now discount that based on he had rockets up his ass from all the steroids he was on. The bottom line is Jeter is a great ballplayer who can beat you in a million different ways, every gm wants him and is only interested in winning and not in telling everyone how great he is. He will be a first ballot hall of famer with I predict one of the highest percentages of any player voted in. To knock Jeter and to say he's overrated is clueless.

 

We can agree to disagree. Jeter was a great player. I just think singles hitters are largely over rated. He absolutely is a HOFer but Yankees fans act like he is best SS ever in baseball and it simply isn't true

 

Maybe not greatest ever but top 3 to 5 for sure and best in NY history. He did by the way have 549 doubles and 250 something homers so does have a little pop. Maybe if A-roid and Tejada would have shared some of their stash with him would have doubled power numbers also.

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Come on 31, calling names? you mean like jehovah witnesses. LOL. Tickets going on sale tmo for the july, 2020 hall of fame induction ceremony in cooperstown

 

Dis, you say Wow. I say Wow to you. Please tell me where I ever said he was a GREAT defensive SS. You have to resort to making things up now. Never said that. You know, there is something in between great and average. Average defensive players don't make plays like the flip play or the dive into the seats play. Run of the mill average guys don't make plays like that. I realize that's your way of disparaging him is to say he was just average. Have fun with your hate.

 

As a long time Yankee fan I'm hard pressed to remember games that the Yankees lost because Jeter didn't get to a ball in the hole, can remember plenty of games he won with the glove. Jeter was as good as any shortstop that played on slow rollers and turning the DP. This whole range fantasy was concocted by the Yankee hating ESPN years ago and latched onto by disgruntled Met and Sox fans who never had a comparable player to root for (Ordonez? Nomar? Laughable). Sorry Big Papi seems like a nice guy but he's a test failing proven cheater, can't think of any Met player of recent memory to compare to Jeter enough said. As far as the slap hitting goes 1/4 of Jeter's hits were for extra bases, similar to most Hall of Famers but Jeter hit .312 in 2012 so he's hardly hanging on.

 

Jeter is/was the best SS in the modern era (last 20 years). I just think long term he wasn't that much better then a guy like Alan Trammell. Jeter was better offensively but played in an era 90s/2000's that was much better in general them Trammell in 70's/80's. Trammell was MUCH better defensively. Jeter gets a lot of credit for not only winning 5 rings but you could argue he was the best player on 3-4 of those teams.

He never led the league at ANYTHING. And despite Yankee fanboys loving his defense it simply isn't true. Forgive me if I will trust saber metrics and look at WAR to evaluate a players defense vs listening to life long Yankees fans who have "watched every Jeter play".

Also this argument of "see you at the HOF induction" is stupid...Nobody here is not saying he isn't a HOFer. He absolutely is. Best SS of his generation. But he is still over rated 2500 singles and all....

 

Sorry 62 you said he was very good defensively not great. Also false though

 

Dis -Also this argument of "see you at the HOF induction" is stupid...Nobody here is not saying he isn't a HOFer. He absolutely is. Best SS of his generation. But he is still over rated 2500 singles and all….

Dis - As you say if he is an absolute HOFer- I agree, best SS of his generation- I agree, How exactly is he overrated?

 

Thanks for the acknowledgement Dis. Just an honest disagreement on how we view it. Not a problem.

 

Totally man it's a good discussion.

 

Most current Yankees fans are a bunch of bandwagon tools who wouldn't ever support the team if they stunk. They are also obnoxious dirtbags who should be horsewhipped on the street and then thrown down the nearest sewer. It's amazing how many losers I see wearing SeaHawk jerseys around here now. Same crap.

 

No it's not. I've been to plenty of Yankees games. The fans are obnoxious. If you cheer for another team. They insult you, start crap with you. Most of the time they are drunk. Not to mention, half the losers posing as Yankees fans sit there on their stupid cell phone not even watching the game.

 

Jeter owes a lot of those hits just from the fact that he played in some of the best lineups ever. You couldn't pitch around him, because someone just as good, or better was waiting in the batters box. He saw a lot of god pitches to hit. Now, I want to test that theory on Robinson Cano. Let's see how he does in Seattle.