The other side doesn't bring it up because there is no reason to, except when debunking lies by right-wingers. Let's have a look at section 152. Even if citizenship is a personal characteristic, discrimination based on that characteristic is allowed because of the words "Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act". Section 246 explicitly permits it (in fact requires it). barfo
There's the rub. There's no freaking way that insurance, at fixed rates, provided and administered by the government, is going to pay out less than it takes in. The money will have to come from somewhere. As for the illegals, I don't think they should be allowed to participate at all. I also don't think they should be given driver's licenses. Someone once told me that "we can't deport all of them." My response was "that doesn't mean we shouldn't deport any of them."
I think we legal citizens are better off if the illegals are deported, but once again, we'll agree to disagree.
Great. When they sign up for insurance, can we require that the insurance company calls the INS and has them deported? Problem solved.
Why is there no freaking way? It costs X dollars to provide the coverage. If you have Y participants, you charge each of them X/Y dollars to participate. barfo
I doubt it, because in the real world, they aren't going to sign up for the insurance, any more than they sign up for car insurance or life insurance or anything else. This whole discussion of whether illegal aliens can illegally get coverage is pretty much a red herring. barfo
That works just fine, if you're charging them after the fact. There's no way to accurately project either X or Y beforehand. When's the last CBO projection that was right? When's the last projection even remotely resembling X or Y that was even remotely close to being correct? Keep in mind that I operate under the belief that Congress is far more inept than they are ept.
It might be off the first few months, but over time the estimates will get better and better. I'm sure Medicare is fairly good at estimating their costs by now. barfo
Exactly. And they're especially not going to pay for insurance when they know they will get free health care with no questions asked if this bill passes. At least now, we can limit our obligations to their long term care.
They aren't going to sign up for even "free" healthcare. Illegals generally don't try to illegally get government services, for fear of being busted. Is illegal alien access to SS a big problem? To Medicare? To welfare? barfo
Well, considering you're talking about the House plan which is by far the more liberal of the ideas set in motion and has already been declared as DOA for the Senate, it's a bit ridiculous to dwell upon it. But hey, let me bring up potential programs/laws from the last 20 years and begin blaming the Presidents whose tenure they occurred under for each of them...though nothing has happened.
NPR??? The last time they opposed a liberal piece of legislation was in the Eisenhower administration . . . I mean the Truman administration . . . or was it during the Lincoln administration? Uh, wait a minute, it was never.
