Nurk 3 yrs 45 million?

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  1. Orion Bailey

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    But... you dont pass up a good move, just because past moves have been bad and the good move is not a great move because of the past. You still make the good move, even if it isnt great.
     
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    Well I wouldn't classify this as a "good" move either. This (if real) screams of what he did with Meyers.

    Gave player a big contract year before he hits RFA. Player rejects it to bet on himself (Nurk apparently rejected a "huge" deal according to Zach Lowe in October). Free agent money dries up. Instead of taking advantage of this and thanking his lucky stars for the lack of competition in going after said player, Neil in good faith makes the same offer he made the previous year to placate the agent.
     
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    But Nurk is much more proven than Leonard. I consider it apples to oranges. I believe Leonard was also coming off an injury and still go that contract?
     
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    I'm struggling to understand here. As was discussed in another thread, the Warriors had the cap room to sign KD, and we can't even afford to keep Davis. How can anyone defend our current approach to cap management?

    I take it many of you don't care about what happened with Nurk in the play-offs? Do you really think Nurk could get an offer like that on the open market, or is the extra some sort of guilt tax for making him stay in horrible old Portland?
     
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    I love how because of social media some people think they know every detail of what was offered and who showed interest and at what price. We have no idea if other teams were interested in Nurk or what offers he got. Just like we have no clue what offers Hark and Leonard received back in 2016.

    I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right about it, but let's not act like it's a fact he didn't receive any offers.

    Besides, we don't even know if THIS offer is true.
     
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    I would rather lock Nurk up on a reasonable deal now than have him become an unrestricted free agent and lose the guy for nothing.
     
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    "Guilt tax" is terrific.

    Feeds to the inferiority complex Neil continues to uphold regarding free agents and Portland.
     
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    You doin' alright there, KJ?
     
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    What big free agents have we ever signed? We had a TON of cap space a few years ago. What All Star did we aquire? Borderline All Star?

    Oh right... We gave Evan Turner that sweetheart deal that every other team in the league is jealous of... Is that what you're advocating for?

    Cap space doesn't work out for us the way you are implying it does.
     
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    We could have afforded to keep Davis.
     
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    Cap space's functionality isn't as limited as you are implying it is.
     
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    You're mixing arguments.

    We just let Ed Davis walk for nothing because we can't afford to pay him $4.4 million.

    We are paying 5 mil to three guys to stay away from the team. Let that sink in.

    We aren't in a position to overpay anybody, even slightly.
     
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    You literally just made that up.
     
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    To be fair, we fans assume that they let Ed walk because of the tax implications of keeping him. However, it is conceivable that Olshey simply decided that his skillset (or specifically, his lack of any jump shot) was no longer a desirable asset for this squad.

    Certainly not reasoning with which I agree, but it's conceivable, so it's probably unfair to simply state that financial concerns were the sole basis for his departure.
     
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    You really buying this spacing crap that Neil said?
     
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    That’s a great point. Next year we will be the only team in the NBA who could go and offer him $15million, if he takes QO this year. Also, taking QO also keeps him motivated for the year because he’s playing for a contract.

    With so many 1-year deals signed this year next years free agency will be full of expired players, there won’t be enough money for all of them again because most of the monstrosities of contracts from 2016 expire in 2020 not next year.

    You can’t measure contracts by how much 2916 free agents make. Those guys basically won their money in a lottery. Pretty much none of them are going to make anywhere near this in the future. Likewise, there were a few 2017 free agents who got the same luck - not as many but still. There are still some teams who reckoned it’s still 2016 like Minnesota with Wiggins but even they are regretting that already.

    It’s like some GMs cannot count, really. All of them went ballistic in 2016 for some reason, giving out terrible contracts while bidding against nobody. You cannot be that stupid anymore so the market is going back to fair value. Actually this year players are getting underpaid if anything because there’s no money left.
     
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    probably a lil high in this market, but considering how incredibly shit we've been at contracts, it would be tolerable.
     
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    How have we used cap space in the past that would net us a player better than Nurkic?
     
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    Personally I think it had more to do with opening up playing time for the younger players. No way was Stotts going to play the younger bigs over Ed except Collins. This forces coach to play them and hopefully ups there value
     
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