After the most recent election I've decided to get out of the prediction business. I have no idea if Vonleh is on a trajectory to being an awesome starting power forward, or just plain serviceable. So maybe he is and maybe he isn't capable of being a starter on a contender, but if he keeps improving maybe he raises his value to a point where he's an actual asset and not just a liability. Same can be said for Nurkic and a lot of other guys on this roster. I do know this, that with their cap situation the Blazers need Vonleh and Nurkic to take those leaps if there's to be any hope in the near and medium term.
Dirk's Mavs. They beat Lebron and his super team. Now stop coming in here acting like a know-it-all. It's off putting for a rookie...
Dirks Mavs had an MVP in Dirk, Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, Caron Butler, Jason Kid, and Jason Terry... Forgive me for not abiding by the hierarchy within a fucking online forum. Get over yourself. I was having a discussion on a discussion board, how rookie of me.
So you come at someone new who's wanting to have a genuine discussion, call them a rookie and off putting, and I'm the asshole?
This "3 all-stars or gtfo" narrative is such non sense. Would draymond or Klay be all stars if they played for the Kings? Mavs are a good example too. They had Dirk and a bunch of role players, which is completely ok, because role players are almost as important as the stars. That's the beauty of team sports.
How about the spurs this season? They have kawhi, and? Who are their other two all stars? Yet they are a threat to win it all. Theyre the model franchise for a reason. You can't rely on a "super team," but if you draft and develop well, you'll always have a chance.
Yes, Klay and Dray would be all stars on another team. The Mavs didn't just have Dirk and a bunch of role players, they had an MVP, a defensive POY, a 4 time all star in Shawn Marion, 12 time all star in Kidd, and 2 time all star in Butler. I agree that role players are important. My argument was that in today's NBA the role players have to be surrounded with at least 3 all star level players and I think my point is proven. The Spurs are the one anamoly and that's because of their system and coaching. The Spurs are the exception to the rule.
That's your opinion. Telling someone to slow their role because their a rookie to a fan forum comes off as someone who takes this way too seriously, that's my opinion.
All those guys were all stars with other teams, or earlier in their careers. On that championship team they were all role players. Marcus Camby was a DPOY too yet no one would ever call him a "star." And there's no way Klay or Draymond would be all stars on another team. It's debatable whether they should've even been all stars with their current squad.
Listing off names doesn't prove a point. Caron Butler played 29 games for them. Kidd was 37 years old. Marion was past his prime. They got hot at the right time, and had everything working. Listing off Terry, Kidd, Marion, etc. doesn't show what they were doing. Kidd, upped his 3 point perecentage a ton in the finals. Terry put up 18 a game, but otherwise, look at the stats of that team. Where were the star performances? Even from Dirk, he wasn't "going off" to get them to win. 26/10 in the finals was a little uptick, but not like he all of a sudden poured in 32 a night or something. They didn't have a star studded lineup. They had one star in Dirk, and role players surrounding him. Regardless of what they did 8 years prior.
Then that's where we disagree, and that's fine. I think Dray is the most important player on GSW and Klay is a top 3 two way player in the whole league. Again differing opinions. Shawn Marion was an all star the year before they won the championship and had very similar numbers that year, same goes for Kidd. Chandler was 2nd in DPOY that year. I would classify them as a lot more then "role players" but that's jus me. To me that's 4 players playing at an "all star level" like I said.
Your rookieness barely had anything to do with it. It was your condescending tone and know it all writing style. What's funny is that you're the one that's taking this way too seriously... The bottom line is that some people in here have been posting in here for over a decade. I thought your posts were condescending so I felt like telling you. You seem young, dumb, and full of cum. And you're completely wrong about Dirk and his Mavericks. Jason Kidd's old bones...
I'm pretty sure Shawn Marion wasn't an all star at any point in his time with Dallas. Dude was the definition of a role player.
Marion was last an all star in the 06-07 season, 4 years prior. When he was an 18/10 player, not 13/7.
