October 2015 was the warmest October on record & warmest month ever recorded relative to ave. temp

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  1. Denny Crane

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    The bigger the money, the bigger the corruption.

    And there isn't money in everything.
     
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    Pretty sure the money in climate research isn't that big, on an absolute scale.

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    !36 years? Geez that is less than a second in earth time. It won't even move the needle on this graph.
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    I could throw up the interglacial period graph, which is all in zero time of the one above, but your 136 years is all contained in zero time of that graph.

    How did the population get dumbed down to the point of accepting this sort of agenda driven obfuscation from people calling themselves scientist?
     
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    That's silly. Climate scientists are not getting rich off hybrid cars. Nor do hybrid cars exist solely because of climate change.

    But yes, there is more money in climate science than in shrimp treadmill science. Not that that proves your point in any way whatsoever.

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    The guy who made up the bogus "science" about the polar bears had a $50M budget.

    That's just one relatively unknown scientist (before he was busted).

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...t-we-pay-for-with-disastrous-climate-science/

    According to data compiled by Joanne Nova at the Science and Public Policy Institute, the U.S. Government spent more than $32.5 billion on climate studies between 1989 and 2009. This doesn’t count about $79 billion more spent for related climate change technology research, foreign aid and tax breaks for “green energy.”

    To suggest that climate science money trickles down from government would be a gross understatement. Actually, it cascades from mountains on high, presided over by agencies and their federal and state minions we generally assume to be knowledgeable and objective. But often we might be wrong. This occurs when a particularly orthodox or partisan view becomes inculcated into government leadership and surrogate organization power structures — yes, exactly like man-made global warming, for example. Then follow the rivers, streams and creeks as those influences spread.

    Agencies get funding appropriations based upon how important they are, or more accurately, how important we are persuaded to think they are. In the case of climate and environmental issues, they appear to be a lot more important when represented to address (certainly not waste) a crisis. Climate change, a topic offering an opportunity to regulate something really dangerous, like natural air, is just too wonderful to pass up.
     
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    Why did Earth’s surface temperature stop rising in the past decade?


    "The “pause” in global warming observed since 2000 followed a period of rapid acceleration in the late 20th century. Starting in the mid-1970s, global temperatures rose 0.5 °C over a period of 25 years. Since the turn of the century, however, the change in Earth’s global mean surface temperature has been close to zero."

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    The last 136 years is contained here, but it fails to show in the context of the cycles of the last million years.
    The period when the Wooly Mammoth was the dominant species was about the same as
    when Man became the dominant species, both of which are insignificant in earth geological time.

    Yes we have climate change. A carbon tax will not fix it. But you will pay it in Oregon thanks to
    the clowns you all voted to run your State. Geez, unbelievable!!!
     
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    You don't need a thermometer to get at the numbers. Plenty of stand-in data exists (ice cores, samples of flora and fauna that are known to exist in narrow climate bands, etc.) to tell you what temps looked like in pre-modern times.

    I think there is a tendency in the media and the sciences to over-catastrophize the rate of change, but that doesn't change the fact that something is happening with global sea levels (local sea levels vary due to a variety of reasons: tectonic uplift/subduction, accretion/erosion rates, etc.).

    Lest you think I'm some commie liberal, while I do work in an environmental consulting firm, that's just a fancy way of saying we help energy companies and developers navigate the legal requirements of doing business and avoiding potential regulatory pitfalls - my livelihood depends on businesses "doing shit." My role as a GIS analyst, photo-interpreter and geospatial modeler doesn't always deal with climate change issues, but when it does I mostly do consulting work for sea-level rise modelling. The only incentive in that capacity is to provide the most accurate models I can for my clients because these models potentially influence go/no-go decisions and can cost a company (as well as tax-payers and shareholders) significant amounts of money if they are operating on faulty assumptions.

    If climate change and sea-level rise is a big fucking hoax or a conspiracy cooked up by unethical scientists greedily trying to leverage grant dollars then I'm all for exposing them and getting them the hell out of the scientific/research/consulting community.
     
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    How did the population get dumbed down to the point of accepting instead agenda driven obfuscation from people who aren't scientists?

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    Don't know. Point us to some chart and data put forward by the agenda driven non scientist you have identified as responsible for the dumb down.
     
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    All your posts, and Denny's posts, in this thread.

    barfo
     
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    Only NOAA charts in my posts.
     
  14. Denny Crane

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    Al Gore.
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    Only you would completely take that comment out of context and blather it like that.
     
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    This comment goes to show you that you know absolutely nothing when it comes to climate science and how it's conducted.
     
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    So? It's easy to post charts and draw invalid conclusions.

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    This chart clearly shows that climate change deniers aren't very smart.

    barfo
     
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