Oden is more important

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  1. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    It is impressive because that is Shaq in his absolute prime, while Kobe obviously wasn't.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Okay, so.... Kobe in his prime with that team and no Shaq.... do they win?
     
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    Kobe outside his prime with a fringe all-star Spaniard? Yeah that would be a decent team. I guess.....
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    But who would play center? Samaki Walker? :)
     
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    Do you actually think Kobe is outside his prime? He may be 31, but he's in the process of one of his best seasons, and he had one of his best seasons last year at 30 too. If you ask me, it almost seems like he's getting better with age.
     
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    Hey that's just a compliment to him, if you think about it more Moo.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Jordan was still a pimp at 36. It's not unrealistic.
     
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    I'm well aware that it's a huge compliment to Kobe. Shows just how dedicated he is to staying in shape so he doesn't fall off.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Perhaps a better title for this thread would have been "Oden is as important" Frankly, I think when both Brandon and Oden are hitting on all cylinders (if they ever get there) will be two players who command double teams, sprinkle a little LaMarcus borderline all-star, borderline dominant in there and there's the potential for there being very little that could stop them.

    I guess I don't quite see Brandon dominating the ball, being as detrimental to Oden's development as some here are seeing. Oden's rookie shot attempts and other offensive stats are nearly identical (save for him being much more polished in the post and hitting a higher % of his shots) even with Miller on the team. The real trick is whether or not Brandon is going to continue to look for Oden early and often to get him firmly established which should in turn free him up for his mid-range game and even the occasional cut through the lane to receive an Oden pass.

    I think we're going to find out pretty quickly if this "Roy back in command" thing is going to work based on the way teams play him defensively. If we see the same steady diet of traps and double teams that put him out of sorts earlier and Oden gets marginalized and we return to our mostly jump shooting ways then I hope Roy has the humility to realize that he maybe doesn't always know best. If it ends up working out and Oden stays involved and continues to grow on offense then so be it.

    Roy's the star, he's the franchise player, I guess he's at least earned the right to get his way for a little while. I'll withhold judgement for now.
     
  10. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Like I posted in another thread. I worried that this issue between Miller and Roy not being able to work may have took too much attention away from the real issue, which is developing Oden's offense. So far, everything he does when he's in the paint puts up huge positives. I think the coaching staff had to do something about the current issue and start using Oden more, even with his fouls.
     
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    I think this is very well said. My greatest hope is that Roy and Oden start clicking like the great wing/center combos of yore. Interestingly, - well to me anyways - Oden is an Aquarius (like Jordan) and Roy is a Leo (like Kobe). Leo and Aquarius are opposition signs to one another. That relationship can mean one of two things: Either they have real difficulty understanding one another (seems to be the case thus far) or they will work together brilliantly as the Air (Aquarius Fixed Air) will intensify the Fire (Leo fixed fire). I truly believe that at some point this season Roy and Oden will really click. When that happens the league is in trouble.

    I've met Roy in person and spoke with him briefly. He seemed like a genuinely nice guy who was very real. He also radiated greatness like no one I have ever met before (I've met a few rich and famous folks over the years). He seemed like a super nice guy.

    However, I don't think this rules out being young and wanting to be the brightest star (apparent selfishness, a common Leo trait especially when young). I hope and believe that Roy will truly become a great, not just good, leader and will find that getting Oden established makes him look even better and opens up lanes for him. I just hope Roy figures this out sooner rather then later. He had some great dishes to Oden the other night, but needs to start seeing Oden when he is on the block with one foot in the paint (60+% FG%!!!!).

    I for one hope that Roy matures into being the best he can be, that means making everyone better even if it doesn't show up on the stat sheet.
     
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    I think we need a Tarot card reading for those two to really get a handle on them, Idog1976 ;)
     
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    Well, JP Morgan (arguably the richest American of all time inflation adjusted) once said:

    "Millionaires don't use Astrology...Billionaires DO."

    Farmers Almanac is heavily based on Astrology. Interestingly, Vedic Astrology in India is so well respected and yields such incredible results that virtually every major Indian investor and company has a few astrologers on staff as an additional way to analyze the market. India also has the most Billionaires in the world and had virtually none 20 years ago. Just saying ;)

    P.S. Oden should truly come into form starting in mid-November 2010 :D
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So astrology didn't work up until 20 years ago?

    barfo
     
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    They also have 1/6th of the world's population and a huge number of people living in poverty.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    #1 concern needs to be Oden

    the sooner he can establish he can score in the paint at will and control his fouling, the sooner the Blazers will dominate the game. So basically I am saying fuk Miller vs. Blake. until I see all the focus is on Oden's development. Until I feel comfortable that Oden isn't a foul waiting to happen and can execute a 30-35 minute game average, he needs to be the #1 priority.

    There is no excuse that Nate is putting more effort on managing the minutes between role players, instead of focusing more on getting Oden the ball. I challenge Nate and Roy (Obvious leaders of this team) to take it upon themselves to make DAMN SURE Oden develops and gets the ball. 7 shots a game from a franchise center is embarrassing. Some maybe his fault, others maybe the guards not giving him the ball, or it could be even Nate not having too many plays to get Oden the ball. Whatever the reason is, FEED THE FUCKING BEAST!

    I want Roy, Aldridge and Oden to all work as one unit. I would love watching a pick and pop, with Aldridge tossing into the paint, in the act of shooting to Oden. The defender will never leave Aldridge 100% wide-open from 20 ft. or Oden will get the timing down to be in the best possible position to get the offensive board on that play.

    I would love to see plays getting broken down, trying to get the ball out of Roy's hand, and everyone already knowing to feed the Beast and punish them playing to closely on Roy.
     
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    In India. They have just started to get better reception 20 years ago. Probably the wireless networks got better :devilwink:
     
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    More like there were not the structural economic developments in place to allow for growth until around 20 years ago. Now that they have the structural things in order they were able to take advantage of the additional information Astrology offered. I really don't care if ya'll believe me or not. Just giving you information.
     
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    Re: #1 concern needs to be Oden

    Totally agree with this. Too much emphasis and effort put in to pleasing Roy and delegating minutes to roleplayers. Keeping roleplayers happy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Oden developing.
     
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    The team needs Oden to be great to win a title. But they are still going to need Roy.

    Oden can't create his own shot. Roy can. When the offense completely breaks down you need a guy who can make something happen.

    Roy is that guy.

    The team needs both (plus LMA) to play at a very high level to win a title. If that doesn't happen then any thoughts of Portland being a contender are out the window.
     

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