good trade but i think the lakers need to get new uniforms the current ones just can't compete and i heard tronot and the bucks are getting new uniforms
Thank you locke and gatorsownthencaa. If this was in the bulls forum people would be laughing soooo hard. This trade wouldnt even work on a video game. Odom will not get you guys a superstar or 2-3 really good players because he isn't that good. He has the ability and potential to be 20 7 7 guy but he just wont, he has no passion or desire for the game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philip2136:</div><div class="quote_post">i think the lakers need to get new uniforms the current ones just can't compete and i heard tronot and the bucks are getting new uniforms</div> Go back to the old MPLS ones. Those were sweet as hell and we (Minneapolis) won plenty in them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinsanityVC15:</div><div class="quote_post">if they do thaat i dont see the lakers even making the playoffs..kobe would need to average 50 a game..</div>HAHAHA ! But this trade sucks, I would keep Lamar cuz maybe he will finally fit in the Lakers and can play in the triangle. Chandler sucks anyway.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">Hmm... Let me get this straight, when we talk about Kobe's supporting cast Odom isn't good, but you guys still expect a superstar type deal for him? Hinrich/Chandler and the 16th pick? Do you guys realize that Hinrich put up 20.5 pts and near 8 apg in the playoffs and 16 pts 6 assists during the season? Oh and he's only 25. Plus Chandler who is an underachiever but still a quality defensive presence AND the 16th pick? Even with Gordan the trade wouldn't be fair for the Bulls. You guys need to look at both sides of the deal before you say a crazy deal. This is just like the trade for the #4 pick. Please go in the Bulls forum and post if they would do Hinrich/Chandler/16 for Odom, they will laugh you off the forum.</div> I don't think any Laker fan was complaining about Odom during the last month of the season. He was a beast on both ends and finally played up to his potential every night. Odom now has 1.5 years of Tri experience and finally understands how the offense runs. Next season he will be playing with everything he learned from this past season starting day one. The experience is invaluable at this point for the Lakers, because it takes about 3 seasons for a team to really gel under the Triangle offense. Trading him now would essentially put the Lakers back at square one. The golden rule in the NBA is to never trade a quality big for a quality small. The Bulls would have to overpay to get Odom because of the situation the team is in. Tyson Chandler is intriguing, but his contract is ugly and I think Bynum has more upside then him. Paying $10+ million for Chandler to be a backup PF/C doesn't make any sense for the Lakers. By every account of big men coaches who have worked with Bynum they all rave about his upside.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 50:</div><div class="quote_post">I would love to see Deng, Hinrich and the 16th pick all wearing yellow. I mean, with the 16th pick the Lakers could try and take a stab at Patrick O'Bryant. Your 2006-2007 Los Angeles Lakers: PG- Kirk Hinrrrrrrrrrrrich SG- Kobe 24K Gold Bryant!!!! SF- Luol Denggggggggg PF- KwaKwaKwaKwame Brown C- Patrick OOOOOO'Bryant!</div>You must be crazy if you think the Bulls are about to trade Deng, Hinrich, and the 16th pick for just Odom. The Bulls have already made it clear they are going to lock up Hinrich long term, and some have labeled him untouchable at this point.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philip2136:</div><div class="quote_post">but i presonally think that odom is pretty ovverated for what he has done</div> No one's overrating Odom. The triangle offense takes 2 years to learn and process. It takes a team 3 years to fully gel under it, as well. It's the most complex offensive scheme in basketball. Naturally Odom's going to struggle. Towards the end of the year though, Odom put everything together. 17.2 PPG, 8.4 RPG, and 5.8 APG for the month of March. That's incredibly versatile. He's only been playing under the triangle for one year. Let him get another year down, and I can guarantee a 20, 10, 5 player. What about the play offs? He averaged 19.1 PPG, 11 RPG, and 4.9 APG. Odom's a very gifted player. I wouldn't call him lazy anymore, either. It takes time to learn the Triangle and that is what Odom proved. Give the Lakers another consistent player and we'll be a contender. That's why we're after Sam Cassell, Mike James, Jason Terry (doubt we get him), and Marcus Banks. Smush Parker killed a lot of our momentum in the PHX series. If we had an established, proven PG we would've won that in 6. Calling a 20, 10, and 5 player overrated is the same as calling Kobe Bryant. You need versatility to win a championship, and that's what Lamar will give you. Some nights he'll give you 15, 9, and 7 and others he'll give you 22, 13, and 4. Lamar is a player the Lakers need, and the more I think about it the more I'm reluctant to trade him. He is finally putting everything together and the Lakers played their 3 best games of the season when he did. He needs to be our offensive threat for the first half of the game. It creates more balance for the Lakers and keeps the other team on edge.
^^ agreed that he is looking better, but he is still very timid. And 20 10 5 is tough to come by. Kg gets it regularly, but if Odom did it that would be cool. I am not sure about the 20 ppg. I still think this trade is insanely one sided, but odom hopefuly continues to play well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ agreed that he is looking better, but he is still very timid. And 20 10 5 is tough to come by. Kg gets it regularly, but if Odom did it that would be cool. I am not sure about the 20 ppg. I still think this trade is insanely one sided, but odom hopefuly continues to play well.</div> I agree that 20 a season for Odom is pushing it, but he could do it. If you wanted a realistic answer, I'd say 18.6 PPG, 9.7 RPG, and 5.3 APG.
Lamar can average 20 a game if he improves his FT shooting. He gets to the line about 4 times a game, but only makes 69% of them. I'd like to see him hit 75% plus next season. The Lakers intend to play him more at PF next season. He causes better mismatches from the 4, and gives the Lakers a post presence.
Gordon is too valuable to the Bulls. They won't give him up, and if they do, we probably would be getting a terrible big man off the deal. I say just straight up, #2 pick and Nocioni. Then w/ number 2 draft Rudy Gay.
odom for nocioni and #2. wow! lets see, if mitch was stupid enough to pull the trigger, then it will be lottery time yet again for the lakers next season. i mean, who will be the lakers second scorer?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">odom for nocioni and #2. wow! lets see, if mitch was stupid enough to pull the trigger, then it will be lottery time yet again for the lakers next season. i mean, who will be the lakers second scorer?</div> Adam Morrison, and Nocioni would more than compensate for Odom?s inconsistent scoring. I would not do that trade from a Bulls perspective. We already have one inconsistent scorer (Gordon) why do we need another? Nocioni showed in the playoffs he has the potential to be at least a 17 and 8 guy next season so I don?t want to see him get traded. He is also on a whole other level defensively compared to Odom. Nocioni gives the Bulls that edge that they need. I wouldn't call him necessarily an enforcer, but I can?t think of any other thing to call him right now. Then we are trading away the number two pick as well that just makes the deal favor the Lakers even more. We could get the big man we need at that pick by drafting Aldridge, Bargnani, or even Tyrus Thomas. So technically we are trading a chance to get Aldridge and our best defender for an inconsistent Odom who has not shown the ability to be a franchise player. No thanks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">odom for nocioni and #2. wow! lets see, if mitch was stupid enough to pull the trigger, then it will be lottery time yet again for the lakers next season. i mean, who will be the lakers second scorer?</div> Are you serious? THat would be a great trade for you guys. Noicioni gives you the big that you need, you need a true big, Odom is more of a SF and is more of a finesse player. Noicioni is a banger, he will get the job done. He avg. 22.3 ppg and 8.8 rpg in a 6 game series AGAINST SHAQ and ZO and HASLEM. He avg 13 ppg and 6 rpg in the regular season in 27 mpg. He has missed 1 game in his 2 year career, so it's not like he will get injured often despite his physical play(and I believe the one game was a suspension-correct me if I'm wrong). Not to mention he won't take crap from anybody and will protect his teammates, he will be the one elbowing Mike Miller rather than having Kobe have to do it. If you do this trade, you guys will be much better than you are now, IMO and you would have a brighter future. You could either draft Aldridge, Gay, Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, or Bargiani and either have a great young frontcourt or pair the other with Kobe to be a very good wingman duo. Or you could trade down, get another pick(so you can have 3 1sts-draft a PG, a wing, and a big man) and try to draft Brandon Roy. And to top it off, you get massive capspace, you would get nearly.... Odom makes 12.49 mil next year, while Noicioni makes 3 mil+ #2 pick money(Marvin Williams made 3.88 last year, so we'll say 4 million)=7 million, so you would get 5 and a half million dollars, which would give you a chance to maybe make a run at a FA after next year(Noicioni would also be a FA) Oh and why do you need a great 2nd scorer when you have Kobe who will put up 35 anyway and take all the shots when it matters? You don't need scorers, you need valuable role players that will do the little things, like give you energy, bang on the glass, dish the rock, and play defense etc. I honestly can't believe that you think that that would be a bad trade. LAMAR ODOM IS NOT A FRANCHISE PLAYER. SO STOP ACTING LIKE HE IS ONE. I wouldn't do it if I was the Bulls(I mean could you imagine Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Noicioni, Aldridge? That would be a great team), but I would jump on that in a heartbeat if I was the Lakers. If he is a franchise player like you guys are acting like he is, then Kobe and the Lakers underachieved this year getting the 7th seed with 2 franchise players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? THat would be a great trade for you guys. Noicioni gives you the big that you need, you need a true big, Odom is more of a SF and is more of a finesse player. Noicioni is a banger, he will get the job done. He avg. 22.3 ppg and 8.8 rpg in a 6 game series AGAINST SHAQ and ZO and HASLEM. He avg 13 ppg and 6 rpg in the regular season in 27 mpg. He has missed 1 game in his 2 year career, so it's not like he will get injured often despite his physical play(and I believe the one game was a suspension-correct me if I'm wrong). Not to mention he won't take crap from anybody and will protect his teammates, he will be the one elbowing Mike Miller rather than having Kobe have to do it. </div> That's comical calling Nocioni the big that we need. Averaging 8 boards a game on Shaq is nothing to be proud of, Shaq doesn't get up for rebounds. Noc is also only 6'7, hardly the ideal size for even a small big man. Nocioni does the dirty work, I agree. But to expect him to put up 23 and 8 all season long while banging down low is stupid. His body won't be able to take the beating. I'd rather have Odom at the 4 than Nocioni. Odom is quick down low on the block and he grabs boards better than Nocioni. He's quicker and has a better offensive arsenal. I do agree I want Nocioni, but I think you're giving Lamar less credit than due. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you do this trade, you guys will be much better than you are now, IMO and you would have a brighter future. You could either draft Aldridge, Gay, Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, or Bargiani and either have a great young frontcourt or pair the other with Kobe to be a very good wingman duo. Or you could trade down, get another pick(so you can have 3 1sts-draft a PG, a wing, and a big man) and try to draft Brandon Roy. And to top it off, you get massive capspace, you would get nearly.... Odom makes 12.49 mil next year, while Noicioni makes 3 mil+ #2 pick money(Marvin Williams made 3.88 last year, so we'll say 4 million)=7 million, so you would get 5 and a half million dollars, which would give you a chance to maybe make a run at a FA after next year(Noicioni would also be a FA)</div> I don't even know why we would do this trade, I haven't heard any rumors about it. I don't know why Chicago would do this trade, it's stupid. The only reason I could see them doing this is they want some veteran leadership. Odom would give them that. He led the Heat to the playoffs, I'm sure he could give the Bulls a lot of advice. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh and why do you need a great 2nd scorer when you have Kobe who will put up 35 anyway and take all the shots when it matters? You don't need scorers, you need valuable role players that will do the little things, like give you energy, bang on the glass, dish the rock, and play defense etc. </div> Why would we need a great 2nd scorer? So we're not a 7th seed again. Kobe does have off nights, ya know. Odom is fine defensively, he isn't Nocioni, but he's fine. If we had a 2nd scorer that would've stepped up this season, we could've had anywhere from 53-56 wins. We lost many games because Kobe didn't have solid scoring help when he was having cold nights. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I honestly can't believe that you think that that would be a bad trade. LAMAR ODOM IS NOT A FRANCHISE PLAYER. SO STOP ACTING LIKE HE IS ONE. I wouldn't do it if I was the Bulls(I mean could you imagine Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Noicioni, Aldridge? That would be a great team), but I would jump on that in a heartbeat if I was the Lakers. If he is a franchise player like you guys are acting like he is, then Kobe and the Lakers underachieved this year getting the 7th seed with 2 franchise players.</div> How about Lamar is one of the most versatile players in the NBA. It takes a full 3 years for a team to gel under the triangle, it takes a player 2 years to learn it. That's what we saw from Lamar. Did you realize how he performed towards the end of the year and in the playoffs? 19, 11, and 5. I'd take that over Noc's 13 and 6 and possibly even his 23 and 8. Those 5 assists are vital. We don't have a player other than Kobe that can create on a consistent basis if we trade away Lamar. Every GM in the league see's Lamar as a gold mine of talent, but he can't find a steady home. If he isn't move, you can expect 19, 9, and 5 next year. He's finally learned the triangle, he's grasped it and now we'll see results. You'll see nights where he puts up 28 and nights where he'll give you 16. That's what we need from him. And that's what we're going to see.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">That's comical calling Nocioni the big that we need. Averaging 8 boards a game on Shaq is nothing to be proud of, Shaq doesn't get up for rebounds. Noc is also only 6'7, hardly the ideal size for even a small big man. Nocioni does the dirty work, I agree. But to expect him to put up 23 and 8 all season long while banging down low is stupid. His body won't be able to take the beating. I'd rather have Odom at the 4 than Nocioni. Odom is quick down low on the block and he grabs boards better than Nocioni. He's quicker and has a better offensive arsenal. I do agree I want Nocioni, but I think you're giving Lamar less credit than due.</div> I wasn't saying he would avg 23 and 8 all season. I'm just saying he's better than his 13 and 6 avgs. He could probably get 16 and 8 in a good role. I'm not saying Noicioni for Odom straight up, you get the #2 pick in the draft. His body hasn't broken down in his 2 years yet as he's only missed 1 game(and like I said, I believe that it was a suspension). He's all energy, ask any Bulls fan, but I bet they would say that he does more than his numbers show. He does all the little things and always gives 110%. You know exactly what you are getting with Noicioni every night, while Odom sometimes has great games, but then other times disappears. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even know why we would do this trade, I haven't heard any rumors about it. I don't know why Chicago would do this trade, it's stupid. The only reason I could see them doing this is they want some veteran leadership. Odom would give them that. He led the Heat to the playoffs, I'm sure he could give the Bulls a lot of advice. </div> Just because you aren't ripping someone on a trade, doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed. This is probably the fairest trade for both teams that has been mentioned in this thread. No way you are getting Hinrich or Gordon and a pick for Odom. Well if Chicago would do the Hinrich, Deng and 16 for Odom, like you think will happen then why wouldn't they do this for Odom? Obviously they want him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would we need a great 2nd scorer? So we're not a 7th seed again. Kobe does have off nights, ya know. Odom is fine defensively, he isn't Nocioni, but he's fine. If we had a 2nd scorer that would've stepped up this season, we could've had anywhere from 53-56 wins. We lost many games because Kobe didn't have solid scoring help when he was having cold nights.</div> The great Kobe Bryant has off nights? I never would have guessed. You would use your #2 pick if you did this trade for more offense(Adam Morrison???). Noicioni would get nearly 15 ppg, I bet and the #2 pick should get more than 5, since "your supporting cast is so bad" I'm sure that they would come in right away and start. Then you draft a PG at 26. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How about Lamar is one of the most versatile players in the NBA. It takes a full 3 years for a team to gel under the triangle, it takes a player 2 years to learn it. That's what we saw from Lamar. Did you realize how he performed towards the end of the year and in the playoffs? 19, 11, and 5. I'd take that over Noc's 13 and 6 and possibly even his 23 and 8. Those 5 assists are vital. We don't have a player other than Kobe that can create on a consistent basis if we trade away Lamar. Every GM in the league see's Lamar as a gold mine of talent, but he can't find a steady home. If he isn't move, you can expect 19, 9, and 5 next year. He's finally learned the triangle, he's grasped it and now we'll see results. You'll see nights where he puts up 28 and nights where he'll give you 16. That's what we need from him. And that's what we're going to see.</div> Yeah I know that he's one of the most versatile guys in the NBA, but that doesn't mean that he deserves a franchise player status in trades. Noicioni does close to what Odom does in pts and rebounds in less time(13 less mins). Noicioni can also shoot 3's, just like Odom. Odom did better down the stretch, so did Noicioni, Noicioni was a couple pts and a couple rebounds below Odom. (probably around 2-3 pts and 3-4 boards) and he started only half of the games this year. I'm just saying Noicioni and Odom are much closer than you think. I would still take Odom pretty much every time over Noicioni, but I would take Noicioni and the #2 pick over Lamar Odom pretty much every time. Plus there's a 9 million difference in contract between Odom and Noicioni. So which lineup do you like better??? Pg-Rondo(looking at NBAdraft.net, closest PG to your 26th pick) SG-Kobe SF-Odom PF-Kwame C-Mihm Or PG-Rondo SG-Kobe SF-Morrison/Gay/Bargiani/Roy(if you want to take him that early) PF-Noicioni C-Mihm/Kwame Honestly I would take the 2nd one in a heartbeat. You would have way more production at the big positions(and more depth), while taking a downgrade at SF. The upgrade at PF would be greater than the downgrade at SF, IMO. Plus you won't have any lacksidasical days from Noicioni, like you did with Odom(I know it was much less at the end of the season, but he still looks like he doesn't care out there at times).
I don't know why we would trade for Nocioni though. He isn't a solidified big man. And another 2-3 years of learning the triangle? I'll pass. I've changed my mind on all trade, to be honest with you. The triangle takes time to learn, Kobe Bryant isn't getting younger. If we're going to trade up, I'd rather trade up in the 7-11 range. A pick where we could nab Shelden Williams. Or I'd rather settle for a deal with Portland and Trade Mihm, Cookie, and McKie for Miles and the 30th pick. At 26, draft Powe and at 30 draft James 'Flight' White. Basically what I'm saying is, the Lakers can't make changes. We pushed the Suns to 7 games and would've been in the 2nd round if Walton could've covered his man. We were one rebound away. That doesn't warrant big changes. This core is finally grasping the triangle and they're going to improve, all we need is a PG (we can use the MLE on: Claxton, Cassell, or Banks if any one of those players want to play here) and a big man. I think Powe more than fits that role. He has the body of Elton Brand, he can bang down low, and he has a clean bill of health.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know why we would trade for Nocioni though. He isn't a solidified big man. And another 2-3 years of learning the triangle? I'll pass. I've changed my mind on all trade, to be honest with you. The triangle takes time to learn, Kobe Bryant isn't getting younger. If we're going to trade up, I'd rather trade up in the 7-11 range. A pick where we could nab Shelden Williams. Or I'd rather settle for a deal with Portland and Trade Mihm, Cookie, and McKie for Miles and the 30th pick. At 26, draft Powe and at 30 draft James 'Flight' White. Basically what I'm saying is, the Lakers can't make changes. We pushed the Suns to 7 games and would've been in the 2nd round if Walton could've covered his man. We were one rebound away. That doesn't warrant big changes. This core is finally grasping the triangle and they're going to improve, all we need is a PG (we can use the MLE on: Claxton, Cassell, or Banks if any one of those players want to play here) and a big man. I think Powe more than fits that role. He has the body of Elton Brand, he can bang down low, and he has a clean bill of health.</div> I definetely agree with you, just get a PG and don't mix things up. Keep everything the same. I just didn't understand why you guys were bashing that trade idea, when it in fact it is the fairest out of all of them and would still benefit you, IMO. I would consider Noicioni a solidified big man. He is very solid and with his play he just outworks the other big, which is why he's so effective. He's not as good as Odom of course, but he's similar and the #2 pick would get you something good.
