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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    Two things jump out:
    1. The college nickname is the "Zips"
    2. He picked Akron because of "the strength of their computer information systems department"

    [video=youtube;_LxIJOtfVgg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LxIJOtfVgg[/video]
     
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    I admit nothing! For one thing, I said he was an Ariza, which is an archetype term I use to refer to a SF who just does the role-player SF things that Ariza does and gets wildly overrated for it. Just as Ariza himself was when he did it for a Lakers championship team. Barnes better be a lot better than that given how high he was drafted. However, he was billed as a lot more versatile than he has shown. Now, maybe he is, and his play is a function of the coach, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that he's Paul Pierce in hiding (which is what he was billed as when people were saying he should be #1 pick in the draft when he signed for UNC). Actually he's doing what he should: he was slammed for being very inefficient in college, perhaps because he was being asked to do things he's not great at. If he focuses on the Ariza staples he'll carve a nice role-player career for himself.
     
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    Way late on the Dieng/Festus discussion, but here's my $0.02. Obviously they get compared to one another because they're older, defensive minded, shot blocking, athletic, long, older-than-average, African born C's. Dieng is certainly better on offense, but that's more of a commentary on Festus' complete lack of offense. Dieng seems like the more natural bball player, but as awkward an unatural as Festus can be, hes got great instincts on defense and hes been well coached.

    I actually think something that really sets them apart is their physical attributes. They're exactly the same height without shoes (6'9.75), but Festus came in a whopping 34 lbs heavier at the combine despite virtually identical body fat percentages. Festus goes under the radar as far as how much of an athletic specimen he is. Guy moves and jumps like guys 20-30 lbs lighter and at the same time he can go one-on-one with the Dwight Howards, Hibberts, Al Jeffersons, etc. and he won't be overpowered. Festus is really a pretty traditional defensive minded C with no offense whose mobility really adds a dynamic that most 5's don't have. Dieng is more of a lightweight, springy, svelte 5 who can hit an open shot alright. He'll block some shots but hes not really a space eater and could get murdered by the big, heavy 4s and 5s.
     
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    I don't even try to make predictions for Barnes because its hard to project him. But I think its safe to say hes already hitting shots that Ariza or someone in that mold- Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard are fresh in my mind for example- can't hit. His handle is spotty but he gets to the rim much better than any of the above because hes got a good first step and hes got a pretty ridiculous size-strength-speed ratio. The reason he was initially compared to Pierce at all is because he flashed glimpses of that pull up mid-range J that's pretty fugging hard to stop because they're big guys and you have to respect their drive. That portion of his game on display quite a bit in these playoffs.

    Like you said though, no ones really made the Pierce comparison since he started playing at UNC. By the time he was drafted people had soured on him and then he got a bit of a boost with his combine numbers, but he wouldn't have lasted until the 7th pick if everyone still thought he was going to be Paul Pierce reincarnated. A lot of Warrior fans think his upside is Jamal Mashburn or Rashard Lewis. Prime Richard Jefferson seems feasible to me as well. I think its pretty reasonable to say his upside is a borderline or one or two time all-star. He could not reach his upside and just end up as a role player, but I think hes already more dynamic on offense than a defense-and-corner-3's kind of SF.
     
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    Well, Paul Pierce was drafted at 10, wasn't he?

    I don't see it. Mashburn was much more skilled (people have forgotten) and beefier, too. And Rashard Lewis is about 6'10". But I guess Lewis has a similar skill set.

    Maybe.

    Hey, if it's good enough for Jamaal Magloire...
     
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    Ginobili was taken in the second round, we don't assume everyone taken in the 2nd round will be as good or better.

    Hell of a lot better than Trevor Ariza.
     
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    For those interested:

    Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress 11m
    DX Podcast: Jonathan Givony on Yahoo! Sports Radio http://www.draftexpress.com/article/DX-Podcast-Jonathan-Givony-on-Yahoo-Sports-Radio-4208 … Talking Nerlens Noel, Int'l Prospects, Cody Zeller, Shabazz & more

     
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    Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress 2m
    Video highlights from the drills and competitive portions of the 2013 Nets Combine. http://bit.ly/ZqpsS7

    [video=youtube;iV2STNPGvIU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iV2STNPGvIU[/video]
     
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    It's official, I've been spoiled by the License to Lillard videos.

     
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    Very good interview, Givony knows his stuff.
     
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    Back to Shabazz.....one thing I do like about him for the Blazers is at the SG position he is big and physical and likes to attack the basket and get to the line. That is something we lack on this team.

    Other than Lillard no one attacks the basket. And quite frankly I prefer Lillard to only do it in small doses because we can't afford to get him hurt. But Shabazz is big enough to handle the hits. And he likes the contact.

    No doubt he has lost some luster as a top pick, but his strengths could help us.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2013/05/2013_nba_draft_shabazz_muhammad.html
     
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    Although as some have said its a lazy comparison but if he cant get to the line like Harden that would add a lot of value and open up things quite a bit. His passing is nowhere near Harden but getting to the line would be a much needed skill for our team.
     
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    At P3 in Santa Barbara today for Shabazz Muhammad workout. Strength training this morning. Basketball this afternoon.
     
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    This is the kind of Len sequence that has to piss off talent evaluators. Had man sealed inside, but ignored. http://sbn.to/154u0wC
     
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    Ben Golliver ‏@blazersedge 59s
    Ford: Blazers Could Have Interest In C.J. McCollum, Dario Saric & Kentavious Caldwell-Pope http://sbn.to/118vR2B

     
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    I can't see McCollum there at 10. But if he is I take him for sure. Yes he is small for SG, but he and Wes would give us two good options depending who the opponents are. This guy can flat out score. Small ball with Liilard would be fun for a portion of each game.
     
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    Saric seems like the darkhorse.

    Do you take.the chance on a slow-footed PF with an "elite" feel for the game?
     
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    It worked okay for Dallas.
     
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    He seems like a bit of a tweener SF/PF... and one who's not a very good shooter nor very athletic.

    I hope he's off the board before we pick, because while I like his youth and the skills he does have, it seems like he's got holes in his game that might not go away and I wonder how well he'd fit on our roster.

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