Official 2013 Draft thread

Zeller over Len.

The Pau comparison for him is a great one. Plays a great high low game, can pass out of the post well, the best footwork in college basketball in a long time, great bounce and has a wirey strength about him.

 

I was just going to say that -- Offensively, Zeller's ceiling is Pau Gasol.

 

Zags doesn't know everything about college hoops. LOL

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Some of us have to work!!!!

 

James McAdoo's stock will rise high come March Madness. This dude is a top 10 pick for sure

 

I've been a pretty harsh critic of his since all the mocks had him top five this past summer, but I don't think he'll slip as far as most of the reliable mocks have had him sliding (ie: #20 on ESPN, #17 on Draftexpress). The guy's got his flaws, and I don't think he'll ever be a great NBA player, but he's definitely a late lotto talent at the worst.

I've got a question for you though, seeing how you're a fan of his... do you see him as a wing or a power forward on the next level?

 

He can probably play both positions, very versatile player. He's kind of like a James Worthy.

 

I really don't see that when I watch him play. I know that I'm in the minority that wants him to be developed purely as a four, but I'm sort of disappointed with the way that North Carolina has handled his development. If they had him working on his post game 24/7, he could be a deadly big man, but just because he's better than most big men in terms of his perimeter abilities (quickness, ball-handling, etc.) is no reason to imagine him as a part-time three, much less a full-time one. What's so wrong with being a stretch four?

I'm just saying, if I'm drafting McAdoo, I'm not doing it with visions of James Worthy in mind. If I'm drafting the guy to be my four off the bench early on and eventually develop into my go-to-post player offensively, I want a guy that has a more complete back-to-the-basket game but can still occasionally be able to run the pick-and-pop or create space on occasion. I don't want a guy that's confused about what his role is and is trying to play like the "prototypical NBA wing" when he's better suited as a post player.

 

Shabazz looked real nice tonight. He'll be good, but I don't think he's can't miss superstar like some.

FYI, he goes left.

BTW, Bill Walton is doing some select Pac-12 games for ESPN and he's hilarious. I miss him.

 

love bill walton. I wish the Blazers would dump harvey, and have him do color on the radio. Or, have a 3 man team with Mike, Mike and Bill. Him and Rice would be hysterical to listen to.

 

He said, "They need 10 point shooters". As Arizona was chucking up 3's with under 1:00 to go.

 

The more I watch Trey Burke the more I think he's a top of the lottery type talent. Top 10 at least. I don't understand how these mocks have him in the late teen's- 20's.

 

I agree that he's not a can't miss superstar, but I do think he's a can't miss good player, for whatever that's worth. His ceiling is pretty high but so is his worst case scenario.

It's hard to decide between him and Noel at this point. I like Noel's size and defensive instincts, but his game has gaping holes. He could really benefit by another year or two of college.

I don't think that any of the #1 pick candidates have really done much to differentiate themselves from the crowd this year. If the draft were held today, you'd have four players that would legitimately be in the discussion for the #1 (Muhammad, Zeller, Noel, and gaining some steam according to ESPN, McLemore).

Agreed 100%. Just looking at Draftexpress, they have Carter-Williams #8 and Burke #18 (ESPN has them at #8 and #17 respectively). If the draft were held tomorrow though, I think I'd lean towards Burke over Carter-Williams.

The game I'm looking forward to this weekend is Maryland at Duke. This should be a real litmus test for both Len and Plumlee. I'm wonder how Len will do against a more skilled, athletic opponent, and how will Plumlee perform against someone with legitimate NBA size and defensive instincts.

 

I've seen Carter-Williams about 3-4 times and I don't get the hype. I watched the game against Cincinnati this Monday. He made some jaw dropping athletic plays, has great size, but is skinny, doesn't play smart and isn't assertive.

 

A lot is made of his apg, but when you factor in the turnovers, it's not so impressive. Trey Burke has a 3.8 A/TO ratio, whereas Carter-Williams is only sitting at a 2.4 A/TO, despite his ridiculous apg. I guess his 6'6" height is a factor with the mocks, but when you're not physically strong and don't create a lot of offense for yourself, does your height really matter that much as a point guard?

 

Reminds me a little of Shaun Livingston.

 

I can see that.

Call me crazy, but when it comes to point guards with a high turnover rate, I'm actually a fan of Phil Pressey. His turnover numbers are ridiculous, but I think he's just been responsible for too much in Missouri's offense at the moment. Turnovers are usually very telling, but I still think Pressey is a really good decision maker and a great quarterback of the offense. His height limits him as well, but if I'm a playoff team with a late first round pick, I'd love to have him on my team. In 10-20 mpg and playing with NBA talent, he won't be putting up the same turnover numbers. He's not like Louisville's two guards, Smith and Siva, who both gamble and play out of control. He's actually got great court vision and sort of defies the conventional wisdom as a "turnover prone player" that plays under control.

The numbers are damning, but even after watching games where he turns the ball over five times, I still have the impression that he'll be a good floor general on the next level in a reserve role.