Exclusive Official 2018 Trade Deadline Thread

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    Now I could have been more specific in say that Lillard/CJ together are undersized. Dame is a better defender this year but that still doesn't make him very good in my opinion and part of that increase in defensive rating is due to him playing with Nurk behind him all season. Calm down with the agenda nonsense. Damn, anyone that has a different opinion or perspective anymore is a hater or has an agenda.
     
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    Ideally, you’re probably right. But he’s still an improvement in that area over what we currently have at the 3 since Stotts doesn’t play Aminu. 6’8 with a 6’9 wingspan isn’t great but not bad. His ability to shoot the ball and crazy flashes of athleticism is what makes me intrigued.

    I just think he’s better than any forward we currently have on the roster and if he can be had for a deal built around Napier then we should do it.
     
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    You’ve been pushing the same narrative about Dame for years, even when it wasn’t true. That sounds like an agenda to me.
     
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    Per ESPN Article:

    Some folks have pitched deals centered around C.J. McCollum. Portland continues to reject any inquires on McCollum and Damian Lillard, sources say. A package of Kevin Love and the Nets pick would be too much for Cleveland; swapping Love for McCollum doesn't really move the needle anyway. A package centered around Tristan Thompson and the Nets pick may not be enough for Portland.
     
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    Uh....he hasn't been a very good defender in his career. He is a little better this season as mentioned. Not sure what narrative you are referring to and doubtful any single post takes everything into account. But you're free to your opinion....and I won't call it an agenda.
     
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    Personally, I think it's when the opinions come out with things that are unsubstantiated, that you get the more visceral reaction (from some). For instance, I understand what you mean with the "undersized backcourt" argument, but one could (rightly) say: "Dame Lillard is the same size (6'3", 195) as Russell Westbrook (6'3", 200 who has never been called undersized) and Kyrie Irving, bigger than CP3, Kyle Lowry, Steph and Derrick Rose, and among elite PGs is only smaller than Wall (by 1 inch). Average PG height is 6'2. STFU with the 'Dame is undersized' agenda." One could also just post a link and say "Dame isn't undersized, see list below." Or post articles from NBC, CBS, ESPN and RipCityProject about how Dame's defense is much better than last year and (varying degrees).

    As an aside, I'd say that my experience of being contrarian is that you usually need to have your "proof"/explanations more dialed in when contrarian, to not be considered a "h8er/troll". For instance, @Mediocre Man gets a lot of shit for his take on Syracuse players. However, if you (as I've done) bring up a list of Orangemen and their metrics against draft slot, they consistently and heavily underperform. If that was brought up and pointed out, rather than the blanket "Syracuse players suck, don't draft them" it would almost immediately a) validate the contrarian opinion and b) shut down those saying it's just agenda hatred. Maybe.
     
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    Dame is listed at 6'3" but if you've stood next to him, that is quite generous. Also, as athletic as Dame is, Westbrook is on the freakish end of athletic which make up for any lack of size which at a more legit 6'3", doesn't really exist. I get what you are saying but at the same time, people can't agree to disagree anymore or allow seemingly any opinion that isn't in agreement with theirs.

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    But heights not really a differing opinion, right? I mean, guys get officially measured. I just think it seems lazy, personally, to say undersized backcourt instead of undersized SG.
     
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    See the picture above. Both are listed at 6'3". Regardless, I clarified to undersized back court for those seemingly so up in arms.
     
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    I find it funny that people are posting that CJ is too ball dominant while there are others posting about wanting Rodney Hood. CJ this year has double the assists per game and a lower usage rate. Hood is a big time chucker and is also known for having very poor defense.
     
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    Could we see the whole picture? Russ looks like he's standing on the ball of his foot.
     
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    Could also be wearing high heels. All I know is I've stood next to Dame and 6'3" seems like a stretch.
     
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    I’ve posted on here about this before but Hood should have never been put into the role he was in Utah. They expected him to make a big jump in his contract year like Hayward did but he’s just not that player. So he has fallen out of favor and turned into a less efficient Crawford trying to get his numbers in limited minutes.

    He needs to be a third or fourth option floor space that knocks down threes and makes cuts to the basket. I think that’s exactly what his role would be on this team so I’m high on him. But I get the arguments against.
     
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    I saw 3 straight possessions where Lillard and CJ couldn't stop Kennard. Ug! Ya,not much defense coming from our backcourt. I am not a Lillard hater because I love the fact he wants to win and is willing to voice that to ownership, but man he needs to stop complaining to the refs on every play. Yes he gets no calls, but it just makes him look like a whiner and refs tune him out after so many complaints. He needs to pick his moments better.
     
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    One thing that may be worth spending a pick on (depending on what NYK's ideas about Frank are:

    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9n89xnf

    Shabazz + Mo + Protected 1st
    for
    Ntilikina, Hernangomez, O'quinn.

    We know NYK likes Moe, and they may be inclined to grab Shabazz vice Frank. Maybe not. Hernangomez is playing about as much as Vonleh is. O'Quinn is filler for this year and next, but it does the following:

    We take a hit at backup PG as Shabazz is more polished and better shooter/scorer. Frank is a 6'5 PG with a 2-1 A/TO and 1 spg as a 19y/o.
    We drop below the lux tax for this season (12.5M going out, 9.1M coming back)
    We keep a backup PG on a rookie contract for the next 3 years of control at below a taxpayer MLE...I think Shabazz gets more than that
    We drop 2M in 2018-19 Salary (more if you were going to pay Shabazz) and 5M in 2019-20 salary, while not hurting our core.

    If something like this was on the table, it would be worth spending a pick on, as we pick up 2 cost-controlled players and some salary relief. Which makes me think it won't have a chance of happening. But this would be the template.
     
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    Perfect timing.
     
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    Why on Earth would NY do this?
     
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