Exclusive Official 2020 Draft Thread

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  1. damianlillard

    damianlillard Active Member

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    Exactly! The team when healthy is actually pretty deep. Plus we will probably sign a few quality role players this offseason so our draft should be based around the future cause next year will and should be the last year of the Dame/CJ era if we don’t win a champ. I love Williams potential. Vassell would be nice but I don’t know how much better he would be than Trent. A guy that’s rising on my board is Omer Yurtseven. He play a lot like Nurk/Steven Adams. He would be a steal in the the 2nd round
     
  2. GhostOfPGA

    GhostOfPGA The late great Paul Allen

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    I personally feel like Obi is a slightly larger Jayson Tatum, with a more polished inside game but not as dynamic on the perimeter.
     
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    I think John Collins is a pretty good analog as far as value.

    There's some stylistic differences on offense and John was the better offensive rebounder and foul drawer, but I think they'll function very similarly in NBA offense.

    Defensively I think Obi is better IQ wise and likely has the higher standing reach but John's movement skills were/are better and has more functional strength. Both mainly due to lower center of gravity and a bigger butt. Better defensive rebounder....John is also just a more fluid mover overall.

    Liked Obi's film a lot more than John when he was at Wake Forest but hard to say how much of that is just being on a better team running a better system.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Currently happy Leeds United Fan

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    Then maybe it should be a Eurostash... like LEANDRO BOLMARO!!!!
     
  5. damianlillard

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    I actually would love Bolmaro. He’s a mix of Ingles and Ginobili. We could trade down for Dallas #18 and #31. Get whatever wing is left at #18, probably Patrick Williams or maybe Bey, get Bolmaro at #31 and Omer Yurtseven with our pick
     
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    Philly is another interesting trade down partner.

    If Vassell isn't there and they really like a guy like Maxey (who I think has the guard skillset that fits pretty well for them imo).... This deal seems somewhat realistic.

    #14, #44

    For

    #22 (Patrick Williams), #34 (Leondro Bolmaro), #37 (Xavier Tillman)

    I bet Philly really values those early 2nds though so not likely.
     
  7. damianlillard

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    I would love that trade. I think Philly may want to trade up to draft Nesmith or Vassell cause they’re both terrific shooter. Just curious, what is it about Tillman that you like? I actually haven’t scouted him a whole lot but I love to hear your thoughts about him. Also if we did have a draft like that imagine Simons/Trent/Little/Williams/Collins with Bolmaro off the bench. That team could be very dangerous especially if they live up to their potential
     
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    Tillman.... He's just a smart player. Can't really jump and a bit undersized. But can finish, pass and defend. Really strong. Great feel for space and timing in pnr as finisher and passer. Complements dynamic guards.

    Shooting projection isn't great, but think he can be valuable without it.

    Think less physically gifted, but smarter Derrick Favors. Can start in a pinch but likely more of a + impact 3rd big on good teams.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    How do you feel about the myriad comparisons of Toppin to Amar'e Stoudemire? At a surface level, it seems reasonable (though Toppin seems to have some potential as a three-point shooter whereas Amar'e basically never shot any).
     
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    Okay thank you for your thoughts. At first glance he’s more like Hickson to me. To me if a big man is undersized they need to be able to shoot 3s otherwise they’re gonna get shut down real quick. Like if swanigan could shoot a respectable 3 point game he would actually be decent but since he doesn’t he can’t do much. See what I am trying to say?
     
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    Think Amar'e moved better. More of a power athlete. Drew more fouls. Better handling the ball and absorbing contact. Better rebounder.

    Obi definitely has more modern qualities to his game though...mostly due to era imo although Obi probably still the better passer all things equal.
     
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    Yup.

    Just think Tillman is far superior IQ wise and defensively than your typical undersized play finishing big.
     
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    What I see a lot of positive on offense a very good passer can hit the 3 and keeps his dribble alive. Defense moves his feet well but one negative after his man passes he looses his man and he standing in no man land. But at 19 years of age that's can be corrected with experience. Now has you said if we can trade down yes but even at 14 especially how weak this draft is and especially your not expecting him to play for couple years then you can look at him at 14. Especially who ever we draft he not going to expect to get quality time for couple years.
     
  14. BonesJones

    BonesJones We got shooters.

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    MY 2020 DRAFT BIG BOARD:
    1. Anthony Edwards
    2. James Wiseman
    3. Obi Toppin
    4. Onyeka Okongwu
    5. Killian Hayes
    6. Tyrese Haliburton
    7. Deni Avdija
    8. Jahmi'us Ramsey
    9. Lamelo Ball
    10. Jaden McDaniels
    11. Saddiq Bey
    12. Tyrese Maxey
    13. Aleksej Pokusevski
    14. Kira Lewis Jr.
    15. Cole Anthony
    16. Theo Maledon
    17. Isaac Okoro
    18. Precious Achiuwa
    19. Aaron Nesmith
    20. Killian Tillie
    21. Isaiah Stewart
    22. Patrick Williams
    23. Elijah Hughes
    24. Nico Mannion
    25. Devin Vassell
    26. Josh Green
    27. Leandro Bolmaro
    28. Jordan Nwora
    29. Nick Richards
    30. Georgios Kalaitzakis
     
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    *Creator of PIPM (Player Impact Plus-Minus)

    Also includes a tab showing how this class stacks up against prospects from the last three drafts.

     
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    Not a bad list. Here is mine
    1. Anthony Edwards
    2. James Wiseman
    3. Onyeka Okongwu
    4. Deni Avdija
    5. Obi Toppin
    6. Killian Hayes
    7. Lamelo Ball
    8. Isaac Okoro
    9. Tyrese Haliburton
    10. Saddiq Bey
    11 Devin Vassell
    12 Theo Maledon
    13 Aaron Nesmith
    14 Cole Anthony
    15 Tyrese Maxey
    16 Aleksej Pokusevski
    17 Patrick Williams
    18 Kira Lewis jr
    19 Josh Green
    20 Jahmi’us Ramsey
    21 RJ Hampton
    22 Jalen Smith
    23 Tres Jones
    24 Precious Achiuwa
    25 Vernon Carey jr
    26 Leandro Bolmaro
    27 Tyrell Terry
    28 Omer Yurtseven
    29 Jaden McDaniels
    30 Isaiah Stewart
     
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    I know nothing about incoming players. I thought people were saying Ball had a chance at #1 during the season. Why is he so low on your guys' boards?
     
  18. damianlillard

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    For me it was more that I don’t think he has good of a chance of being an all star player as the guys above him. He will turn out like his brother on the offensive end but with literally no defense on the other end.
     
  19. BonesJones

    BonesJones We got shooters.

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    Shot 39% from the field and 25% from 3 in Australia. Shot is pretty broken. Basically people think he has a high ceiling because he has good ball handling ability, vision, and he's 6'7. But the issues for me are the fact that he's a below average athlete, has a frail frame, isn't a good defender and doesn't have the defensive instincts that Lonzo has, is a below average shooter from all areas of the floor, doesn't get to the line, has good vision but pretty mediocre basketball IQ.
     
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    BonesJones We got shooters.

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    Surprised you have McDaniels so low.
     

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