Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

Mexico is the future for growth but like anything it will need to be managed efficiently and effectively with regards to the border. Both parties for decades have put off immigration reform de globalization with Mexico has a hub will force the issue. Won't be long and we will have American citizens wanting to go to Mexico for jobs. It's happening now but will ramp up.

 

I know I sit here up in my cozy corner of the US, fat, dumb and happy, but try as hard as I might (and I have truly tried), I cannot for the life of me believe the border is anywhere near the issue it has been made out to be. Immigration has been a "problem" for so many decades it can no longer be seriously labeled a problem. It's like an SNL satire. It's an "issue" to be used by politicians to keep their jobs. Trot out all the statistics you want for the past 60 years (this shit really started in the early 70's) and it's still the same basic issue, nothing more and nothing less. It's only a "problem" because our politicians want it to be. There is no real interest, intent, will or value in solving it. Tightening the boarder will only create another set of issues. As I have pointed out in the past, GW Bush, despite strong bipartisan support for reform, chose to side with his big business buddies who were not willing to give up their source of cheap labor. So he shut reform down. If the border states are truly hurting, blame Bush and his cronies. But as far as I am concerned, the so called border/immigration problem is smoke and mirrors. Just one more way white, racist America can expose it's ugly face. Any youngsters on this board will see this country dealing with the EXACT same bullshit decades from now. The only things that will change are the faces of the politicians......

 

It seems like immigration to the US in general is a problem for you.

What are you proposing we do to replace the boomers in the workforce once we get immigration below replacement levels? We aren't having enough kids to replace them.

Also, immigrants have far lower crime rates than the US population. Even illegal immigrants. So restricting the flow of immigration actually increases crime rates in the US. Immigration keeps crime rates lower.

I'm not sure what your goal is here? What is your problem with immigration?

 

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People think inflations bad now. Wait until Trump starts a trade war.

Oooof

 

It'll be a great thing for the people who matter. You know... billionaires...

 

It’s the socialized government healthcare

 

64 dog years? Won't you be too old by then?

 

Yes, Canada has tariffs on some goods and services:

• Tariffs on US goods
  Canada has tariffs and tariff-rate quotas (TRQs) on some US goods, including dairy, poultry, baby clothing, and athletic equipment.
  
  
• Tariffs on Chinese goods
  Canada has imposed tariffs on Chinese goods, including:
  
  • A 100% tariff on Chinese electric, hydrogen fuel cell, and hybrid vehicles, busses, delivery vans, and transport trucks
    
    
  • A 25% tariff on Chinese steel and aluminum products
    
• Tariffs on other goods
  Canada has excise duties on some goods, including tobacco and certain alcohol products.
  
  
• Trade agreements
  Canada has free trade agreements with Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, and the European Free Trade Association (EFTA).
  

Canada's Customs Tariff files show the tariff treatments for countries with which Canada has tariff arrangements. The files are updated at least once a year, or whenever necessa

 

I literally felt like kind of a "drive by spectator" to the real beginning of the immigration "issue"......and it's why I have absolutely NO faith it will ever be anywhere near resolved. In the summer of 1972 I went into the Navy on a delayed enlistment. Because my dad thought I needed to enjoy the free time I had left, he laid me off from the family business and told me to go have fun. Unfortunately, I had no funds saved. No funds = no fun. "Fortunately", a friend had a sister who boarded her horse at the LO Hunt Club. The club owners had had a hippie couple running the place, but apparently they were only willing to work for semi poverty wages, rather than full out poverty wages. This was at a time when American business was truly waking up to the huge, inexpensive labor pool to the south, so the stable owners contracted out the jobs to a Mexican family (kind of a big deal at that time) and hired my friend and I to fill in until they arrived. We were being paid barely over the minimum wage (for a hard job that only we were willing to do) but we were still more expensive than our upcoming replacements. That was the very beginning of the so called "immigration problem" and American business has been gleefully exploiting and abusing it to their financial benefit for over 50 years. Do the kind of asinine (and completely unnecessary) horseshit the Right keeps threatening to do and our entire economy will shit the bed (without any of the other moronic economic ideas the Right, has even being implemented). This is about race and racism, pure and simple. A wedge issue being whipped like a dead horse, all to keep a convicted felon out of jail. And people are just too stupid to see that.

 

Two things that are absolute proof of what you're saying ... and there are a lot more in addition to what you posted but ...

1. If it was such a huge problem, the bipartisan bill would have been passed regardless of what Trump said. A national emergency isn't a national emergency if one person's convenience postpones the solution for 10 months.

2. Trump promising to deport immigrants that are here legally and may already be naturalized citizens, or trying to retroactively change citizenship rules that have existed since the ink on the Constitution dried. There actually were U.S. businesses that recruited Haitians to come to Pennsylvania and Ohio to work. They aren't illegals or undocumented. They aren't committing crimes and eating pets or people. They ARE paying taxes, which is great, and buying things and stimulating the economy, so this certainly isn't about overpopulation or danger. So what could it really be about?

 

Wow, Favre on top of Kid Rock???? Trump has all the intellectuals behind him. If only I could change my vote……

 

I have a hard time believing Favre has clout in Wisconsin anymore.