Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

Of course they do. When the "better" choice does a bad job of getting through to the people.

 

This Democrat is addressing my issues but there isn't enough detail! I just don't know enough about her! So vote for sociopathic demented fascist!

 

And candidates don't?

Good lord, so she can't get people together to develop a platform to make her worth voting for, they're actually turning away people who were going to vote for them, and I'M the problem because I see that as a problem?

To me, that looks like someone too weak to lead.

The more Clinton people defend her like she's an invalid, the less bad I feel about voting for her. The defense now actually is that she is incapable of doing anything.

 

Which, BTW, by extension, is that Clinton supporters were part of the problem.

When you can't talk to people on your side, and people you need, and drive them off, that's a Clinton campaign issue, not something about the people that didn't feel they owed it to your candidate to vote for her after they told those people we don't care about your concerns/problems/issues/rights.

 

If I had the foresight to know Trump was going to be the worst president in history and develop into an existential threat, helped by the Democratic leadership being incapable of learning the lessons from 2016 and still not being able to grow its base or get a very good message out there 10 years later, it might be different.

Yet here we are, two presidential elections later, and Clinton people still can't heal the bruised egos and own their own part of what happened in 2016. It's everyone else's fault, they say. OK, live in that fantasy world. But our candidate -- and, again, she was who I was voting for until one of her higher-level volunteers in my area actually said to me what I'd like to see didn't matter at all -- campaigned very poorly, and Trump, at the time, looked like he'd just be an inept example of why GOP policies didn't help Americans, not an actual threat to democracy that this ego-driven Clinton worship allowed him to grow into, because Democratic leadership still can't admit its own warts.

 

2016 and 2024 weren't the same thing, though.

Clinton, at least in my experience, turned a lot of her supporters and potential supporters off.

Harris, I thought, ran an almost perfect campaign. But too many Americans were fixated on a change at president automatically bringing down everyday prices (Trump's probably going to drive them up), or too many that already had tuned her out before she even had a chance to sell them on her vision, or too many that were seduced by ... well, I don't know what about Trump is appealing at all, but apparently some people fall for it ... was enough to result in her defeat. And no one can say reasonably that Trump was an agent of change now; he had four years to be president and failed miserably.

 

And if Democrats take that position then they'll keep losing.

I hope they're smarter than that.

 

It appears to be the strategy at this point.

 

Fetterman is a thug.

 

Finally found the name for what Beast Blazer is doing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

 

Lol. Nice try.

 

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