OFFICIAL Around The NBA Thread- December 2020

Luckily, the Lakers can only have 15 players on their roster... so there are only so many 'ring chasing' players who they can take.

I'd love to get Hill as a FA if Thunder cut him. But NO didn't leave any room for moves like that in his yearly budget.

 

Four year, $190 million extension for Paul George? An average of $47.5M per year? Stupid.

 

This is why I still like a salary cap. If the Clips resign Kawhi they will have two players making 50 million each per year.
Not much left over for depth

 

They had to do that with how much they gave up to OKC to land him.

 

They may love PG13 but if other teams had shown interest in the guy that the Clippers see as Playoff P, those teams could have expressed that they wouldn't trade for him because he was a flight risk. Now, for anyone who wants to pay almost half a million a year for one of the best regular season players that takes the biggest drop off in performance when playing in the playoffs, they can put together a valuable package to attain him without worrying about him bolting.

Edit: I'm pretty sure that any trade would have to take place after the season unless some wizard (not talking about Washington DC) can find away to get around what that poison pill variation would look like.

 

Not Worth It !

Law of diminishing returns. While he can still score, his defense was, for me, what really made him special. His defensive rating used to be spectacular (97-101 in his 2nd-6th seasons), but has tailed off to 105-108 since then.

 

This is the Fallacy of Sunk Costs

 

I'd love for Portland to pay PG13 half a million a year. That is a complete bargain!

 

Wow I meant half a hundred million but that doesn't sound close to as good so I guess my brain just defaulted to something that sounded nice but was completely nonsensical and inaccurate.

 

George is one season removed from being a top 5 MVP candidate. People just remembering Pandemic P. Recency bias is strong with this one

 

Y'all are crazy if you think any team would just let him walk. My only issue with this is timing. Why do it now? Maybe they think it would take the pressure off this year a bit.

 

to be fair, defensive rating is not really an individual metric as much at it is a team metric. Just listing his raw rating lacks any context, IMO. To derive any useful gauge from defensive ratings you'd need a year-by-year comparison of PG's rating vs his team. with + being better and - being worse


2010-11 +2.0
2011-12 +3.1
2012-13 +2.8
2013-14 +2.3
2015-16 +2.9
2016-17 +0.8
2017-18 +1.2
2018-19 +2.4
2019-20 +1.6

that does look a little like he's fallen off, but I think there's a little more relevant context to those numbers. When going thru the stats, what I saw is that when PG posted a defensive rating above +2.0, his teams ranked 3rd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, and 4th in the league in defensive rating. In other words, he helped his teams to to top ratings, but he also benefited by being on great defensive teams with great defensive coaches

and when looking at the progression of a stat like def rating over a 10 year period like PG's career, you really need the context of where the NBA was each year. By that, I mean, when PG became a starter in his 2nd season the average team defensive rating was 105. Last year, the average was 110. So, it sure looks like league-wide defense got worse, or more likely offenses got better. In that context, that PG saw his defensive rating rise about 5 points over his career is not really an indication of his defense as much as NBA evolution

IMO, I think PG has shown himself to be kind of an ass, but he's still an elite player and a very good defender

 

Before there was ever Pandemic P there was Playoff P. Just look at the numbers. His career shooting percentages are down by entire percentage points in the playoffs and his turnovers are way up. Those are just the statistics, the guy has just never looked right in the post season throughout his career. Yeah, during the regular season he is one of the best in the game but during the playoffs he has proven that he's a middling all-star at best... still good but worth a super max?

 

His advanced playoff stats are identical to Dame's. Even raw numbers not THAT far off.

Regardless, is the argument here that he would NOT get a max on the open market next summer? Cuz that's pretty flawed. Clips just retained their asset that they paid a hefty price to acquire. It's either this or let him walk. And if he walks, so does Kawhi. They had to do this.

 

Yeah and there is another thing. Max contracts right now hurt for sure. The cap has not and probably won't increase a bunch in the coming year. The thing is though by the time this all blows over and the NBA starts working the way it used to the cap will go up and this contract will not be as tough to deal with. At least i would presume as much.

 

What's weirdest about this is that Caleb is on the floor in crunch time...

 

That was the game Royce O'Neale kicked Ant's feet while he was in the air shooting concussing him, and Trevor got ejected. Was the second night of a b2b, and i'm pretty sure Hassan wasn't playing. We had like one guy on the bench-- it was either Caleb or Mario.

 

Refs owe us one. Dame was legendary that night.