OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA THREAD - July 2021

But you can show up here and bitch every day and still carry the pitchforks at the end!

 

but value to the team as a $10mil roster spot is minimal and not worth it. DJJ is of value today and next season as a bench player filling the roll of back up 3/4 in a new system supposedly utilizing Nurk who has always had an affinity of increasing the offensive value of cutters from harkless to laymen et. al. DJJ on the roster presently trumps any potenial value of Sato as a trade asset IMHO. he put up 8 and 4 with 1.6 stocks of added value teamed with bam in Miami in 22 minutes a night. currently we don't have an additional 20 minutes a night available at the 1/2.

 

I don’t think your sentiment is shared around the league.

 

i care little for their sentiments and am focused on the blazers. next season DJJ wil be the same expiring contract as Sato. for trades. 1-1 is in the eye of the beholder, though gauging competing front offices values on players is impossible to know.

 

"if by the start of the season, we show up with largely the same roster, i'll be carrying pitchforks right next to you. but I want to see what he does first"

"if by the trade deadline, we show up with largely the same roster, i'll be carrying pitchforks right next to you. but I want to see what he does first"

"if by the draft, we show up with largely the same roster, i'll be carrying pitchforks right next to you. but I want to see what he does first"

"if by the training camp, we show up with largely the same roster, i'll be carrying pitchforks right next to you. but I want to see what he does first"

2017-->2018-->2019-->2020-->2021-->2022?

 

people who want to bitch about everything will keep finding reasons to complain i suppose.

 

What makes you think that this time will be any different than all the other times before?

 

Yes.....to get on with it. Not that other inferred nonsense. Don't give up your day job to be a mind reader.

 

I really think Dame's threats contributed to it. The problem is Olshey's mismangement of the payroll and the 17 draft have left the warchest barren so that even IF he chose to be more aggressive this year, he doesn't have the pieces to make a big deal. Recall this from Quick:

Dame has never so publicly been forthcoming of his call to action.

Also, the public perception of Olshey has gone full 180 from where it was a year ago when everyone (including the people constantly bitching about him here) were giving him praise for his summer moves (even if they choose to forget that they did). It's not just this forum either. He has seemingly become public enemy #1 and Quick and others have reported that the pressure is fully on him now. That, and his seat clearly being hot will in my estimation make him offer more in trades than he has been willing to in the past.

But incessantly complaining about his moves when moves are JUST starting to be made makes it seem like people already are ready to burn his house down before he does anything.

 

and people who believe excuses will keep swallowing them

does it do any good to label each other in mildly insulting fashion? I don't think so but I can play that game

 

go back in this thread and find where I was complaining about moves he hasn't made so far, this off-season

what got our particular discussion going was when you said two things: one was that you didn't want Olshey to make his best offer right at the beginning; and the other was when you said Portland had limited assets

my response was that I believed discussions had advanced past initial offers; and that a team with limited assets couldn't really play it coy....they would need to push most of their chips in right away to compete

you then started trashing people for bitching about Olshey before he'd done anything. Please point out people bitching about Olshey's off-season prior to you complaining about people bitching

 

I think you are glossing over two important points here.

1) You correctly identified that "Olshey's missmanagement" of the payroll & drafting has put us in this position. If he was the architect who got us here, why would you trust his vision/capability to get beyond this point?

2) Yes, last offseason was one of Olshey's best relative to his history... so some credit is deserved. However that still pales to what is needed to make this team a contender. It's like the kid who is getting Ds & Fs in school finally getting a B. That's better than his historical track record (good job!) - but it's not top tier level.

Again - what gives you confidence that Olshey is able to make the moves necessary?

 

i don't think i glossed over them as much as i have come to terms with the reality of our situation. It would take nothing short of a miracle to make this a contending roster. I guess also that it's the hopeful fanatic in me to want something to be done-- seeing Phoenix and Milwaukee in the finals also contributed to it perhaps.

But I also don't understand what good it would do to throw shade at Olshey for moves that Memphis and New Orleans just made. I don't want to see the worst in people. We also have no choice but to give him a shot, no?

 

I swear to god if Neil runs it back with the same team...

 

where did i trash anybody? where did i make excuses for Olshey? i think you are just as guilty for assuming and implying things as much as you say I am.

I don't really want to engage with you on this topic again because 1) you clearly hate the guy and pick and choose how you interpret his actions to see the absolute worst in him (which is fine-- i too had an irrational level of hate for Stotts so i get it, and 2) we are ultimately on the same page of wanting to win but we both realize the pieces just aren't there unless something crazy happens.

 

since you are accusing me of bitching about Olshey's current off-season, I thought I should point out the posts I made in the last few pages, prior to you trashing me for bitching, and have you point out to me where it was I was bitching...that would be helpful:

and it was in reply to that post you said:

so again....what was it I said in those posts that warranted you changing the discussion to a complaint about bitching?

and by the way, if my Olshey history has bearing, and I'd grant it does...for chrissakes why should anybody ignore 9 years of Olshey's history and expect things to be different now. And by extension, not lay 100% of the blame for the current mess on him

 

literally zero faith in Olshey. Just hopefully Billups can make the team better by coaching

 

sigh.

 

dude why do you get so upset here? and where did i trash you? Sit back for a second. Was this post quoting yourself all this many times necessary?

 

you are basically saying you believe this off-season will be different so don't make judgements. That's fine. But where was it I made judgements about Olshey's current off-season...other that mentioning his history?

I mean, if you wanted to continue the discussion we were having before you changed it to people "bitching", I would have probably pointed out that the only trade so far has involved an exchange of draft picks. meaning that right now, the draft is probably motivating a lot of trade discussions and Portland can't leverage any firsts in this draft