<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">Personally i dont think Marbury is a more attractive package than Alston, Marshall and EWill. I would bet a majority of teams would take Alston and Marshall over Marbury, becuase of contract situations. Marbury's great, he's a true talent but 14.6 million this year going all the way up to 23 million a season. He's not worth it, I could see him getting a 10 mil per contract but thats has high as i'd go given his need to dominate the ball as well as his uber weak defence. I just dont think he'll have a high trade value based on his contract, talent aside. I cant think of any teams in the league that need a 14.6-23 million dollar shooting point gaurd. He can dish the ball when he wants too no doubt, but can he play team ball at the level that's required to win a championship? I could see Atlanta wanting Alston based on his affordability and his skills, but they'd hesitate from his lack of expierence and his attitude. They'd want Marbury for his skills, and they'd consider that he's been a team leader before. But then they'd remember that its always been on average to bad teams, and that his contract is pretty harsh. Donyell probably has no interest for them at this point. They do need a PF to replace Twan but with him being a free agent they could just aquire him that way if the wanted...might be easier if they had him for half a season though, make some conections and that junk. Ewill is their type of player... a role player to the last and effective at a very minimum price. Its not probable i dont think, but then agian not impossible. But i'd say more likely than the same trade (filler, 1st rounder) for Marbury. Just my opinion</div> Well you and I are not the Hawks or any other franchise in the league. Everything we say is based more on opinions. Btw, I thought of an equation: Andrew Bogut + Mark Agguire = A MONSTER Probably wont happen but if it did, we would tear up the league. Anyway, what other big men is around. Any college junkies around here?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post"> Btw, I thought of an equation: Andrew Bogut + Mark Agguire = A MONSTER </div> Very well said. If Aguirre could morph the one time 3rd stringer Mohhamed into a 11/9 guy, he could make Bogut 20/14. Good equation. And it really is true. Of course, this is just a pipe dream.
If we get in the lottery trade all of our picks plus anyone else (excpet Ariza, Sweetney) Penny, TT do you think we can get him? A future frontline of Sweetney, Bogut, and Ariza will easily be sucessful. You have a nice post presence in Sweetney, a fundamentally sound player in Bogut and a slasher in Ariza. That is a pretty good lineup. It gives me jitters just thinking about it!
Bogut isn't falling in out of the top 5, probably not even the top 3(depending on if Marvin Williams declares). Unless you guys get a top 3 pick or maybe the 4th pick, I don't see the Knicks taking him.. There aren't really any Centers in this draft besides Bogut and Petro, so you're better off doing some sort of trade that involves Marbury, because your aren't going anywhere with him at the Point, just like the Nets and Suns. If you draft a PF, then Sweetney isn't likely in Isiah's long term plan. If you draft a SF, then Isiah is prepared to use Ariza off the bench for the long term, unless Ariza ends up being better than the drafted SF. With Crawford locked the SG (could be traded like anyone else), that leaves the PG spot. Marbury isn't safe anywhere he goes, so I'd look for a PG to back him up and possibly takeover his role if he is traded. PG's that will likely be available at the Knicks projected pick: Raymond Felton, Rudy Fernandez, Daniel Gibson, John Gilchrist, Deron Williams.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Bogut isn't falling in out of the top 5, probably not even the top 3(depending on if Marvin Williams declares). Unless you guys get a top 3 pick or maybe the 4th pick, I don't see the Knicks taking him.. There aren't really any Centers in this draft besides Bogut and Petro, so you're better off doing some sort of trade that involves Marbury, because your aren't going anywhere with him at the Point, just like the Nets and Suns. If you draft a PF, then Sweetney isn't likely in Isiah's long term plan. If you draft a SF, then Isiah is prepared to use Ariza off the bench for the long term, unless Ariza ends up being better than the drafted SF. With Crawford locked the SG (could be traded like anyone else), that leaves the PG spot. Marbury isn't safe anywhere he goes, so I'd look for a PG to back him up and possibly takeover his role if he is traded. PG's that will likely be available at the Knicks projected pick: Raymond Felton, Rudy Fernandez, Daniel Gibson, John Gilchrist, Deron Williams.</div> Yeah, I wanted that too. Marbury is the destruction of this franchise that's why I said Marbury for Paul staright up. Those other 1's in the draft are good but, I would want a top notch point guard. We don't need a scoring 1 we need a point guard. If we get a true leader running the show, the Knicks can become successful. I heard about that Petro guy. I don't know how proven he is though. Certainly not at the level of Bogut. He seems like a nice shot blocking center but according to many scouts, his offense is pretty bad. From what I read about him, my perspective is that he is a poor mans Ben Wallace. What we want is a good shot blocker with a shot to compliment Sweetney. Martynas Andriuskevicius. Lithuania 7-3 240 Age: 17 Strengths This guy looks decent right here, Martynas Andriuskevicius. I don't know how to pronounce his name either. He appears to have a nice touch he can shoot Kurt Thomas range and a little 3 too. He has long arms and blocks shots too. Very athletic and posses quickness to out match the opposition. He also has some good court vision and his extra height helps him too. Weaknesses He really needs to bulk up though. He is very skinny and he obviously has some weaknesses against stronger centers. He needs to also increase his post moves. Most of his scoring is mostly from shooting. I heard he was supposed to be projected as Ilguaskaus. Anyway, he looks like a decent project, but should we use him as a possible 7th pick? I also heard he might develop into a Sabonis too!
Nemanja Aleksandrov 17 years old Serbian 6?11 210 His name, Nemanja Aleksandrov. This guy is great. In fact I know some people like Tribute to H2O and Knicks analyst will be especially happy. He is supposed to develop into a poor mans Tim Thomas! That?s how great he?ll end up. Just kidding. Seriously, this guy has some huge potential. He?s a 7 footer, is mobile, and athletic. He is very versatile, he can run the floor, and with his good handle he can bring the ball up. Forget about point forward, ever heard of point center! He can definitely develop that type of skill. He is a great shooter. I?m talking about a great shooter. The only similarity between TT and him are their mismatches they create. When you put a smaller defender on him he shoots right over them. If you put a bigger man on him, he blows right past them with his athleticism and his ball handling skills. He is also a pretty good defender because he can stay with his man on defense with good lateral quickness. He is a good rebounder, and a pretty decent shot blocker. Well just like many prospects his skinny and needs to bulk up. He doesn?t have much of a post game yet either. He can also be more aggressive down low and could stand to be a bit tougher. I?m not saying be like Rodman, he just needs to play with more ?reckless-abandon.? He can be a little forgetful of his teammates sometimes and tries to do to much. This wont be a problem really because he wont be the number 1 option. He is projected to be the next Dirk but, he has a possibility of becoming better than Dirk in fact, one website said he can become a cross between KG and Dirk!! He has some great potential and if you want a player that can compliment Sweetney perfectly than it will have to be him. Another one said he can become a better version of Keith Van Horn. Either way we?ll know he can become a good player.
We can definitely use a Sabonis too. Btw, who was Trevor Ariza supposed to be projected as? Just curious.
Ariza wasn't really compared to anyone. Scouts said he had big time talent, but thought he made the mistake of coming out of UCLA too early. They also said he could play point forward, which we've seen very little of. Every scout seems to agree that if he puts 20-25 pounds on in the offseason he'll be a wrecking machine next year.
He was probably compared best case to Jalen Rose. But about this kid Julius Hodge. Best case Penny in Orland worst case Marquis Daniels Daniels is nice so i dont know about u guys but if we cant get a top pick i think we should go after him. And hes from Mrj's home town
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">He was probably compared best case to Jalen Rose. But about this kid Julius Hodge. Best case Penny in Orland worst case Marquis Daniels Daniels is nice so i dont know about u guys but if we cant get a top pick i think we should go after him. And hes from Mrj's home town </div> What will that do to Ariza? I don't think we should get him. If we do, either him or Crawford has to leave. I heard he might also turn into Ron Harper too, but I don't think we'll need him. That's right Harlem stand up! Btw, do you think Ariza will be good as a 2 guard. He's played it before and he can give most of them size problems especially since he has long arms too. Once he gets a jumpshot, I think he'll be good for it. It will also give us an opportunity to get that Dirk guy. Just a thought
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Crawford has to leave.</div> .......o....k wats the problem? Anyway if Ariza works in his dribble (which he supposedly could handle like a guard) and his jump shot i think he could play sg at times but not full time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">.......o....k wats the problem?</div> We'll have a log jam at the swing man. We already do and another one will probably cause some frcition and chemistry problems. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyway if Ariza works in his dribble (which he supposedly could handle like a guard) and his jump shot i think he could play sg at times but not full time.</div> Why can't he play fully?
I dont think he will be aggressive enough to score. But guess it depends on how he developes. Who knows he may develope into an elite Sg. Just look at t-mac.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont think he will be aggressive enough to score. But guess it depends on how he developes. Who knows he may develope into an elite Sg. Just look at t-mac.</div> I think he can be aggresive enough. If he focusses on his game more, I think he can play the 2 and the 3 and maybe a little 1. Hopefully he develops into an elite kind of a player. He can rebound and pass too. I see him putting up some nice scoring numbers and some solid rebounds and assists numbers as well. I think he'll be different than T-Mac. They have different attitudes an styles of play, I just want him to be elite like him.
Very Interesting Charlie Villanueva [IMGl]http://www.draftcity.com/headshots/charlievillanueva.gif[/IMGl] Connecticut 6'11 230 20 years old This guy is near 7 feet and he can play 3 positions. He can play the 3, 4 and 5 effectively. He probably can bring the ball up the floor sometimes and he can even develop some point guard skills with his handle. He has good vision too. He handles the rock on the break and can find you the open man. He is very athletic and has long arms which is a good thing for rebounding and blocking/changing shots. He is a good shot blocker and intimidator. The last time we had this was since Mt. Mutombo was well out of his prime. Still was good for us though without a doubt. Just a decent low post game doesn?t really look to post up as much as he should though. He has a good jump shot and can shoot well from the perimeter. You will have to respect his 18 footer and occasionally he could hit an NBA 3 here and there. Guess what? He works well with the pick and roll too. And to top it all off , he is another New Yorker! Come on, this guy looks like a solid fit. The only weaknesses I could find about him is he is a bit nonchalant at times. I heard sometimes he overuses his talents meaning instead of boxing out and what not, he expects to grab the boards with his long arms and athleticism. He should be more aggressive too. I?ve heard he can develop into Lamar Odom and Chris Webber. Hopefully we get the Webber. He looks decent enough however, many of the mock drafts have him as a low 1st rounders in the high 20?s. I wonder why? Is he good enough to use our first rounder on? <font size="2"><font color="Red">If you're interested, the Connecticut Huskies play tommorow against Notre Dame at 7 Eastern Time on ESPN. Get a glimpse of him and see what you think!</font></font>
Charlie Villainueva is definetely interesting. Definetely worth our first rounder. We need a versatile big man at the 5 spot. He's more of a powerforward but in this day and age of watered down centers I think he can play center. He should definetely have an edge since he's can put the ball on the floor and take it to the basket. He does rely too much on his athleticism but a few lessons with Agguire and he'll be fine. The only thing that worries me is that he looks lazy and disinterested at times. I was thinking though...what about Tiago Splitter? I think that's his name. He's projected to go before Villainueva. He's Brazilian and supposed to have a great post up game. Best case scenario: Pau Gasol. But his jumper is lousy though. And I mean lousy. But I'm sure he could practice it and get good at it like Ewing did. He's also more of a powerforward than center but again he can get away with playing center. He needs to bulk up some but after he hits the weight room he should be fine. Either way I'm praying for some luck and hoping we get Bogut. He's just about good at everything. Can post up, can pass, can shoot, can block shots and rebound. Imagining him and Sweetney working together in the low post is making me cry right now(seriously). It would be beautiful. Anyway we should get these one of these three guys I just mentioned and trade Kurt Thomas for a first round pick and Vladimir Veremoonk(something like that). He's a Russian powerforward who can shoot, sort of like Dirk. We can clear up some playing time for Sweetney and see if we can get a Dirk Nowitzki on our team to add some more versatility.
I looked at splitter and I didn't post about him because again...power forward. I don't think he'll be a good fit on the team. He's more of a post up guy only. I want a nice shooting big man too. What do you guys think of the Lithuanian, Martynas Andriuskevicius? Worth trying out? These guys have been projected pretty high as well as Nemanja. Hopefully these prospects are promising. How about a Johan Petro? He is a 7 foot athletic freak that can rebound and block shots. He has NO offensive game though. He looks alright, but again, is he worth a potential 7th pick?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">I looked at splitter and I didn't post about him because again...power forward. I don't think he'll be a good fit on the team. He's more of a post up guy only. I want a nice shooting big man too. What do you guys think of the Lithuanian, Martynas Andriuskevicius? Worth trying out? These guys have been projected pretty high as well as Nemanja. Hopefully these prospects are promising. How about a Johan Petro? He is a 7 foot athletic freak that can rebound and block shots. He has NO offensive game though. He looks alright, but again, is he worth a potential 7th pick?</div> I thought the same thing about Splitter but it cant hurt having another guy who can post up especially if he's a good rebounder and shot blocker also. Besides teams are starting to play their centers on Sweetney to limit his post up game having Splitter will stop them from doing that. Besides perhaps we'll be able to trade Splitter for someone we really want. As for Nemanja...well he's 210 lbs...Is it possible for him to gain that 40 or 50 pounds we'll need him to gain to play for us. I mean we need someone who can play center. So I dont know how effective he can be for us but then again it's worth a try. Martynas looks alright although I would like it if he had a post up game. Petro would make a great back up but if he's useless on offense he's not the ideal starting center for us. The guys we should be focusing on are: Bogut, Splitter and Villainueva. We should be able to get one of these three guys. Bogut should of course top the list. How far is he going to drop realistically? With all the excitement about Chris Paul and the athleticism of Villainueva is it possible for him to fall to the 3rd spot?
