If we were to trade him, it'd have to be for a proven 25-28 year old for me to be happy. We've had great success as of late with our draft picks, but you never know when you're going to draft a fluke.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know, many sites I read said he was a "typical scoring point guard." I heard he gets owned a lot by guards that can shoot. He gets many turnovers too. Also, I hear much of his game his off dribble penetration like Marbury. He seems decent, just not the best choice for us though. I really would want a distributor mentality that makes smarter decisions on the court,</div> Best case scenario for Chris Thomas is Bibby. Worst case is Moochie Norris. Chris Thomas does like to score but he's smart enough to know when he should shoot and when he should pass. He's not a gunner like Crawford. But he plays no defense. Almost all of the point guards in the draft with a chance of getting drafted can take him, whether its off the dribble or posting him up and he's a turnover machine. He's projected to go really low in the second round. So low he might not get drafted so we can probably take a look at him without using a pick. There are alot of good guards in the next draft like Sergio Rodriguez. We should probably wait until next year to pick up a point guard and Crawford's back up. I had someone else in mind for our second pick. A college kid by the name of Ryan Gnomes. He can play either forward position but in the NBA his height will probably force him to play small forward. He's a post up player and really knows how to rebound. If he cant post up his man he can just take the midrange jumper or bank shot. His game is pretty well developed so he can help us now and later on as a back up for Ariza. It will give us more versatility and enable us to always have some type of low post prescence throughout the whole game be it Sweetney, Bogut(if we get him) or Gnomes. And if we were to get Vladimir like I suggested we'll be able to spread the floor so he can do his thing in the paint. He's a hardworker who's always trying to improve his game so we wont have to worry about his work ethic. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Btw, who can we get for JC? I'd trade for a 1st round pick. I have lost much of my faith with him being our future shooting guard.</div> I dont know about trading Crawford right now. I myself have not been too impressed with his performance but he's still young and hasnt done that bad of a job to get traded that quickly. I think Houston can be his mentor like Starks was to Houston. Houston turned out pretty well so maybe the same will happen to Crawford. He's a little too versatile to just get rid of too quickly. Even if he never becomes an All Star he'll at the very least be a good piece to put around Sweetney. So let's hang onto Crawford a little while longer. But I'm willing to trade Marbury for a few more draft picks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Best case scenario for Chris Thomas is Bibby. Worst case is Moochie Norris. Chris Thomas does like to score but he's smart enough to know when he should shoot and when he should pass. He's not a gunner like Crawford. But he plays no defense. Almost all of the point guards in the draft with a chance of getting drafted can take him, whether its off the dribble or posting him up and he's a turnover machine. He's projected to go really low in the second round. So low he might not get drafted so we can probably take a look at him without using a pick. There are alot of good guards in the next draft like Sergio Rodriguez. We should probably wait until next year to pick up a point guard and Crawford's back up.</div> We definitely don't need him if he'll turn out as a turnover machine like that. In my opinion, Brewer is a good enough back up even though he doesn't score he provides us with what we need the most...defense. Pass on Chris Thomas we could get him in the summer league or something like you said. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I had someone else in mind for our second pick. A college kid by the name of Ryan Gnomes. He can play either forward position but in the NBA his height will probably force him to play small forward. He's a post up player and really knows how to rebound. If he cant post up his man he can just take the midrange jumper or bank shot. His game is pretty well developed so he can help us now and later on as a back up for Ariza. It will give us more versatility and enable us to always have some type of low post prescence throughout the whole game be it Sweetney, Bogut(if we get him) or Gnomes. And if we were to get Vladimir like I suggested we'll be able to spread the floor so he can do his thing in the paint. He's a hardworker who's always trying to improve his game so we wont have to worry about his work ethic.</div> Yeah, I heard about Gomes and it's a good thing he can play small forward because we'd have to play super small ball. He is perfect for the small and can give some great competitionthere being 238. He could develop into an Antawn Jamison. Good call, Tribute. But my only question is: If he's this good, why is he projected in the 2nd round? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont know about trading Crawford right now. I myself have not been too impressed with his performance but he's still young and hasnt done that bad of a job to get traded that quickly. I think Houston can be his mentor like Starks was to Houston. Houston turned out pretty well so maybe the same will happen to Crawford. He's a little too versatile to just get rid of too quickly. Even if he never becomes an All Star he'll at the very least be a good piece to put around Sweetney. So let's hang onto Crawford a little while longer. But I'm willing to trade Marbury for a few more draft picks.</div> I guess we owe it to him to give him some more time he has just not lived up to the expectations this season and has been very dissapointing at times. About Marbury, I don't want any picks for him. I want a pick for him and a high one. If we trade Marbury for a nice young point guard (*cough*)Chris Paul (*cough*) I think we'd be good. Scratch that matter of fact, if Bogut falls out of his projection, I'm telling you Marbury and our original pick for him can do. We'd put JC at the 1, he'll have no excuse, we have the monster frontline and we'd be well on our way to much improved season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">I consider myself a realisitc fan. When people say they can take the atlantc division (6 games back) and win the NBA championship (however, mentioning how slim it was and calling it a joke in another thread) and bring up threads months old that obviously had different outlooks at the time,I just have to point that out too.</div>Was not meant to knock you oh sensitive one. I'm just pointing out that we actually agreed on something for once. Puhlease. BTW your response was done 2 weeks ago. What a difference two weeks make. Trust if your response was months ago I wouldn't have brought it up. If you have any more tidbits you would like to share PM me. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Also let's stay on topic, we don't need this junk in the forum. Your attempts to try and knock me can be discussed through PM.</div>My attempts? You have a problem you could always PM me dude. I'm just pointing out a fact. I guess finding a player that could help your team out and suggesting you select Petro was going off topic. My bad. You have a problem PM me buddy. I was actually trying to mend fences before you took it the wrong way. Back to the topic: I don't think it's realistic that Crawford will be given up for a high pick in the draft. He is still recognized as a chucker by many in the league and I don't think he has really learned how to play team oriented basketball. I think the Knicks should hold on to him for at least another year or two to see how what kind of player he develops into. He still has a lot of potential at the age of 24 but I still think he needs to learn how to play the game the right way.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Was not meant to knock you oh sensitive one. I'm just pointing out that we actually agreed on something for once. Puhlease. BTW your response was done 2 weeks ago. What a difference two weeks make. Trust if your response was months ago I wouldn't have brought it up. If you have any more tidbits you would like to share PM me.</div> Alright, oh silly one. Yeah, 2 weeks makes a big difference. 6 games isn't a big difference? If the Knicks took advantage of their opportunities, we would be 3 games out of 1st and 1 game out of 8th. And btw, if you are going to quote me, quote me right! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My attempts? You have a problem you could always PM me dude. I'm just pointing out a fact. I guess suggesting you select Petro was going off topic. My bad.</div> Is that all you said? Was your argument solely on Petro? No it wasn't. Yes, it was your bad.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Alright, oh silly one. Yeah, 2 weeks makes a big difference. 6 games isn't a big difference? If the Knicks took advantage of their opportunities, we would be 3 games out of 1st and 1 game out of 8th. And btw, if you are going to quote me, quote me right! </div>Quote you right? You even claimed that your quote was months ago which it wasn't. So two weeks compared to months is a difference. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Is that all you said? Was your argument solely on Petro? No it wasn't. Yes, it was your bad.</div>What arguement did I have? That we agreed on something for once? That you said that the Knicks could make the playoffs and have a chance at winning the championship? Those are facts, not arguments.
What arguement did I have? That we agreed on something for once? That you said that the Knicks could make the playoffs and have a chance at winning the championship? Those are facts, not arguments.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Was not meant to knock you oh sensitive one. I'm just pointing out that we actually agreed on something for once. Puhlease. BTW your response was done 2 weeks ago. What a difference two weeks make. Trust if your response was months ago I wouldn't have brought it up. If you have any more tidbits you would like to share PM me.</div> Alright, oh silly one. Yeah, 2 weeks makes a big difference. 6 games isn't a big difference? If the Knicks took advantage of their opportunities, we would be 3 games out of 1st and 1 game out of 8th. And btw, if you are going to quote me, quote me right! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My attempts? You have a problem you could always PM me dude. I'm just pointing out a fact. I guess suggesting you select Petro was going off topic. My bad.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You have a problem PM me buddy. I was actually trying to mend fences before you took it the wrong way.</div> I was oblivious of your attempt, probably because putting words in my mouth doesn?t exactly show an effort to "mend fences." <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Back to the topic: I don't think it's realistic that Crawford will be given up for a high pick in the draft. He is still recognized as a chucker by many in the league and I don't think he has really learned how to play team oriented basketball. I think the Knicks should hold on to him for at least another year or two to see how what kind of player he develops into. He still has a lot of potential at the age of 24 but I still think he needs to learn how to play the game the right way.</div> Although one might perceive him as a chucker or someone who doesn?t understand the game, a true spotter of talent would recognize those attributes of his game are very correctable and can develop into a great player. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Quote you right? You even claimed that your quote was months ago which it wasn't. So two weeks compared to months is a difference.</div> Excuse me, by months I meant a long time ago. You said I said the Knicks could win a championship this year right? Why didn?t you also state that I said: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know there is a real slim chance with them getting a championship. Nothing is certain though but, there is a chance just real little though! In another thread I have it as a possible joke option. I might be a bit bias on my Knicks but, not that bias</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks can get a championship this year but it will probably not happen.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Bigger joke: Tim Thomas jersey becoming retired or the Knicks getting a championship this year?</div> To me, that doesn?t sound like the full story. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What arguement did I have? That we agreed on something for once? That you said that the Knicks could make the playoffs and have a chance at winning the championship? Those are facts, not arguments.</div> We were having a little argument on whether we should draft Petro and his offense etc. I know when I said the Knicks have a slim chance of wining the championship this year were facts, I never said it was an argument.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">What arguement did I have? That we agreed on something for once? That you said that the Knicks could make the playoffs and have a chance at winning the championship? Those are facts, not arguments.</div>Huh? Edit: Didn't know what that was. Oops. Here is some of that conversation we were having before: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post"> They should not even be thinking about missing the playoffs or want to for that matter. 1st round at best? We never know. They were saying the same thing about the '99 Knicks and you know what happened. I'm not at all suggesting that something like that will occur however, we don?t know what will happen therefore we can not comment on their future like everything is a sure thing. </div><div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post"> ^What would you rather have? Would you rather the Knicks make the playoffs with the team they have now? Or make the lottery? I mean you have stated before that now may be a good time to rebuild. Being a Knick fan you demand the best but like I said before, sometimes to take two steps foward you must take one step back. You do not tank games but sometimes you have to think long term rather than short term. The playoffs are getting farther and farther away. What would you do to get them in there? Trade another pick away for someone that will come in right away and produce? And the '99 Knicks had Pat Ewing, Marcus Camby, Larry Johnson, Kurt Thomas, Latrell Sprewell and a very healthy Allan Houston. And they also had JVG at the helm. I'm not a pessimist by any means but to say that this years Knicks would duplicate 99 is a little stretch of the imagination. </div><div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post"> Well I would rather have the Knicks make the playoffs. Ariza Crawford and Sweetney will get some valuable experience. I never said trading a pick at all but what would be wrong with that anyway? Trading a pick for an established player in the league isn't really a mistake, Washington did it and they are doing pretty well. The Knicks are capable of making the playoffs so, I should hope that they tank their games and go into the lottery? The fact of the matter is you don't know what will happen. The Knicks can decide all of a sudden to play great basketball and fully understand their roles. The Knicks can get a championship this year but it will probably not happen. Everything is capable of happening and nothing is imaginary. Something better would to just say it probably wont happen. </div>I didn't say you would say that they would win. I stated that you stated that they could win this year, which is totally unrealistic. I know you didn't say they would win but you did state that they could. This is the whole story so to speak. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post"> Although one might perceive him as a chucker or someone who doesn?t understand the game, a true spotter of talent would recognize those attributes of his game are very correctable and can develop into a great player. </div> I don't know about great. Good is a possibility but great is a stretch. I consider Lebron, KG, Kobe, Shaq, and of course MJ to be great but to say that Crawford will reach that level is not being logical. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">We were having a little argument on whether we should draft Petro and his offense etc. I know when I said the Knicks have a slim chance of wining the championship this year were facts, I never said it was an argument.</div>Well the Petro argument is not the reason why we are discussing this right now. Therefore I can only think that you derived this from our other little conversation. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Is that all you said? Was your argument solely on Petro? No it wasn't. Yes, it was your bad.</div> This is what was said. If you were so sensitive about my Petro post then I dont' think we would be having this "arguement"
At that time, I thought the Knicks would make a run and it was too early for them to tank. As I said before, if they took advantage of their opportunities, they would be 1 game short of the playoffs and 2 for the Atlantic. Now, seeing other teams, seeing other players I think we shoudl just give up. A final run could have been successful if it had been started earlier, but it wasn't and we should think more about the future. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know about great. Good is a possibility but great is a stretch. I consider Lebron, KG, Kobe, Shaq, and of course MJ to be great but to say that Crawford will reach that level is not being logical.</div> Well it's all about your opinion of classification. I consider a great player what you would consider good. If I was saying Crawford could be Jordan, Kobe, Shaq etc. I would have said so. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the Petro argument is not the reason why we are discussing this right now. Therefore I can only think that you derived this from our other little conversation.</div> So why are we discussing this in the first place? How did this even come up? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This is what was said. If you were so sensitive about my Petro post then I dont' think we would be having this "arguement"</div> If you hadn't come off topic in the first place, we wouldn't be talking about this in the first place.
thank you mommy <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Enough 'fighting', you two. And stay on topic. Thanks.</div> You sound like my mother. Granted my mom is a very nice lady but even so.....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Enough 'fighting', you two. And stay on topic. Thanks.</div>No problem dude.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you hadn't come off topic in the first place, we wouldn't be talking about this in the first place.</div> I don't think any arguements would occur if nobody was allowed to view and reply to a topic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think any arguements would occur if nobody was allowed to view and reply to a topic.</div>
Charlie Villanueva matched his career high with 25 points on 9-14 shooting ysterday in a win over Notre Dame. He said that when it's starting to get February and April, we [Huskies] start to step up. He also said We're repeating this year. Strong statements up there. Does that remind anyone of what Marbury said? The last thing we need is the basketball gods punishing us even more. The Huskies better repeat. Anyway, I think he can become a good fit for us. He's athletic, can block shots, rebound and shoot a little. Doing some more research on Petro, I like him even more. He kind of reminds me of Marcus Camby and I wouldn't mind having another one. The question is, how much heart does he play with? A big part of Camby was his desire to win, and his skills and attitude is what made him one of my favorite Knicks. I want someone who can really help us and start playing a role immediately. We will have to see workouts and further analysis of the players in June though. I wonder what Isiah will do.
I think it's unlikely Villanueva will be in the draft. It's best for him to play one more year with Rudy and Boone to see how he improves, and if they can go deep again like in 2004, because this year, it's unlikely that they'll repeat. He doesn't have great work ethic, and he doses off on the court at times. He has great talent, but that's not the player I would want on my team, especially if I'm building around young guns in Crawford, Sweetney, Ariza, (2005 pick) etc. For this year...I'd be looking more at Ray Felton, Daniel Gibson and Deron Williams. For SF...Aleksandrov looks like a reasonable pick, however, he has not really improved since the end of last season.
