i cant believe nobody mentioned bosh getting in bargnani's face. upon reflection i wonder if it was a token gesture by bosh; bosh should be getting into ford's grill if he cares so much about public displays. ford hasn't pushed the ball up court all season except for the jersey game and he has been the must turnover prone guard thus far in raptor history.
Well … obviously we lost but we had some positive points at least. Still frustrating that we're not winning though, especially after being in charge through the 2nd + 3rd quarter. -Calderon (the way he's playing right now) is more effective than TJ Ford. I'm Sam Mitchell really wants to call someone out for playing like crap I can tell you where he should start. He made a fair number of bad decisions with the ball and was turnover prone today. - I can't remember if it was Leo or Jack in the pre-game show who made a good point about raptors "fast break offense". TJ Ford or whoever has the ball doesn't actually start breaking out until he's over 1/2 court when he should really have his head up and start turning up the pace right away. Right now I find we only try and run the fast break if the other team isn't back on defense. I think this is because the shots we were getting were terrible (10 second rule?). -Not sure exactly what Mitchell had in mind when he put Fred Jones in as the starter. Basing the decision off the stats after 6 games? hardly justified. Took several shots today(while playing with the starting lineup) from the corner (where Peterson normally shoots) he didn't shoot well and I'd rather have Mo taking those shots because that's his game. If we're going to put Fred Jones in the starting line-up it should at least be to fill a role that Peterson can't do better. -Garbo played pretty well overall, which was good, because 4 mil a season is looking pretty steep presently. -As much as Joey Graham may do 1 or 2 good things when he's on the court, he'll screw up 3 or 4 so I think it's time to introduce him to a permanent role as Derek Martin's best friend on the bench. Having Graham on the floor imo just screwed our rotation over and seemed way out of place, other than that I thought everything was about right. Maybe Bargs could have been pulled slightly earlier when he was wondering around lost on boards. -Again .. .we have deficiencies on defense that aren't being addressed during timeouts like they should. Tonight the Warriors made several consecutive shots from the Corners when our defense broke down. That crap should be corrected so it doesn't happen 5 or 6 times in a night. Normal coaches realize that. Oh one more thing, I'll give credit to chuck and jack for not being corporate plugs and actually verbalizing (a little bit) about our bad play at the end of the game. I think these guys are genuinely frustrated at how poorly things are going right now.
From the Warriors post: <div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Getty images Holy crap this is hilarious!</div> lol I didn't see the game, I'm glad Bargs had a decent game. I'm glad the Warriors got a win, I want them to make the postseason as they haven't made it in like 13 years. I do want the Raps to make the postseason too though lol. Did J-Rich play? I read Chutney's disgust at Mitchell, does everyone agree with him? Did we get 100 shots in? lol Oh and the games being only televised on Raps TV is annoying for those who don't have it, at least the games I haven't caught on Raps TV have been losses. Makes me feel I didn't miss too much. <div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">AB > AB I think you know who I'm talking about.</div> Was Andrei Biendrins that good, or Bargnani that bad?
i can't believe u guys are still sidestepping the big event- bosh getting in bargnani' face, i actually thought bosh was going to hit bargnani and the funniest part of it was that the entire raptor team ignored it, except maybe fred jones who had a concerned look.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i can't believe u guys are still sidestepping the big event- bosh getting in bargnani' face, i actually thought bosh was going to hit bargnani and the funniest part of it was that the entire raptor team ignored it, except maybe fred jones who had a concerned look.</div> It seems like guys have tuned bosh out a little bit ... i dunno, i just see everyone's expression on the bench and no one looking like they are on the same page. Only guys who i would say are constantly bringing the intensity are Calderon & Bosh. If Bosh wants to yell at someone make it TJ or Mitchell for not yanking Bargnani earlier or teachig him how to play D. Agree 100% on the TJ thing guy is playing like crap he should be the one who gets a lot of the blame.
I loved it. I thought it was Nowitzki-esque at first. But then they showed him being encouraging afterwards. Leadership at its finest. And to his credit, Bargnani didn't look away or anything. He needed that, though. Andrea was making the exact same mistake play after play. As I said before, Chris shouldn't have stopped there. Sam Mitchell needed some sense knocked into him as well. Pape Sow was the only player that I thought noticed it. He was watching the whole thing and then went to say something to AB after CB4 was done.
Like it or not, we're stuck with TJ. I've always said that we should have seen how he ran the team this season before we signed him long-term. It's not like he was going to develop into an all-star and we would end up paying more for him. If anything, we could have gotten him cheaper with his performance so far. Calderon has done more in his limited minutes than Ford has done with all the time he is playing. That's just sad. Seems like Fred Jones has fallen in love with his 3PT shot after making some in the first couple of games. What happened to the player we saw in the preseason? Colangelo needs to make a change soon before this season is a complete loss.
So who played better AB (Andrea Bargnani) or AB (Andris Biedrins)? lol we need Pape Sow back, he'll hustle, rebound, and grab offensive boards and then either miss the putback or get fouled. At least his energy might be contagious! but he probably has a while to rehab his neck. Got to be careful about broken vertebrates or whatever he has.
<div class="quote_poster">SkiptoMyLue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Was Andrei Biendrins that good, or Bargnani that bad?</div> Biendrinns had a good game. Bargnani looked like he was more into the flow of the offense but let's not kid our selves, he's super raw right now. He was definately a defensive liability and had a bad game on the boards. He's constantly showing potential but he looks confused about where he should be etc (like a lot of rookie bigs). Also we should keep in mind our interior D would pretty much make anyone look good except when Bosh and Rasho are on the floor .. then we only partily suck, as opposed to completely
He's tentative in his motions, whenever he doesn't have the ball. That's better than being disinterested or passive like almost all other Eurobusts, but it just means he's going to have learn as he goes along. It definitely showed against Biedrins. I think we all knew, after a couple possessions, that Andrea wasn't going to be able to handle him. I thought Bosh should've been on him from the beginning and Bargnani could go on a player like Pietrus. I like the fact that he got some experience and was playing closer to the bucket this time, though. I've underrated Jack Armstrong in the past. The dude is insightful and notices patterns or facts quickly. I wish he would logically extend his criticism to the coaching, though. I think he knows it too, but isn't willing to make it a big issue. He's way too horny when they put cheerleaders on the screen, though.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That was the most ridiculous f***ing display I've ever seen. I can't even sit here and think about the positives from that game (Bosh's amazing leadership/gameplay, Bargnani playing extended minutes, Garbajosa putting it all together, etc.). What the hell does Sam Mitchell need for this team to win? Outside of the Milwaukee game, that was the best that our combined roster has played in the regular season. You had players like Garbajosa and Peterson finally playing up to their potential, Bosh playing like a goddamn beast and you let your team get beat a friggin' zone defense/doubleteam on CB4? Are you telling me that with such a versatile roster, we have to live and die by the 3 pt. shot on offense? Bosh should have continued his rant at Mitchell. I called Biedrens to have a good game against us, but since when did he become Kevin Garnett? Final score: Toronto 99, Sam Mitchell 110.</div> Agree completly with you. I have been consistently defending Sam Mitchell as a coach just cause the raptors players like him and in todays NBA that is half the battle. But tonights game was a demonstration of Sam's flaws - - the fourth quarter shot selection was abhorrent, Moreover sam did not seem to care about making an attempt to regulate. <div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i cant believe nobody mentioned bosh getting in bargnani's face. upon reflection i wonder if it was a token gesture by bosh; bosh should be getting into ford's grill if he cares so much about public displays. ford hasn't pushed the ball up court all season except for the jersey game and he has been the must turnover prone guard thus far in raptor history.</div> Bosh Derserved to get in Bargnani's face , Biedrens has just ripped down a handfull of offensive rebounds. Nice to see Bosh come over and pat him (andrea) on the head during the next time out - Bosh looked like a real leader out there tonight. As for Ford he should have yelled at him to, Ford can play well in spurts but he is inconsistent and with Calderon's play of late I am really wondering who should be running the raps offense in the clutch. btw deception, What did you think about your boy Uros Slokar getting passed over to dress tonight for Darrick Martin. Kris Humphries was injured logic would say you would dress another big man since a post got hurt but then again Sam had an ace up his sleeve with Martin. They cut to a clip of Slokar just watching the game in a suit and his face just had the expression of " why the f#%* did i come over here, I could have been a star in slovenia."
Uros could be the solution to all our problems. He is deception's favourite player after all. Lakers on Friday, ought to be a good game.
I bet Mitchell makes some kind of change to try to "shake things up" before the next game. The noose is tightening....
I said it in the offseason, that the Raptors would've been better off taking a chance with Jose Calderon while keeping CV31, looks like I was right. On the other hand, Chris Bosh is TEARING the league up, 23 Points, 22 Rebounds in this game, amazing stuff, can he average over 12rpg for the season?
<div class="quote_poster">Drunkballer Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> btw deception, What did you think about your boy Uros Slokar getting passed over to dress tonight for Darrick Martin. Kris Humphries was injured logic would say you would dress another big man since a post got hurt but then again Sam had an ace up his sleeve with Martin. They cut to a clip of Slokar just watching the game in a suit and his face just had the expression of " why the f#%* did i come over here, I could have been a star in slovenia."</div> <div class="quote_poster">SkiptoMyLue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Uros could be the solution to all our problems. He is deception's favourite player after all. Lakers on Friday, ought to be a good game.</div> slokar aside from being the greatest basketball player to never ever play a minute in a nba regular season game is also an astute young man who saw a train wreck waiting to happen with mitchell at the helm so he volunteered to say on the I.R. IF slokar was given some playing he would have no other option than dominate which would have extended mitchell's time here. like us, slokar is committed to getting mitchell out of of town, although, unlike us he isn't all talk; no, he's a man of action. ALL HAIL UROS "DON"T CALL ME EURO TRASH" SLOKAR!!!
Guys, is anyone else as frustrated with Sam's rotations as I am? He seems to take Bargs out when he's playing half decent, and leaves him in when he's playing horribly. Last night Bargs was getting OWNED by Beidrins...he made the guy look like an all-star. All Mitchell had to do was substitute someone in who could box him out...put a body on him...for whatever reason humphries wasnt dressed tonight, and been taken off the active roster for darrick martin...wtf!? why does sam almost EVERY GAME start rasho at the beginning of the 3rd, only to sub him out 2 minutes into the quarter and leave him on the bench for the rest of the game? rasho did a decent job on beidrins i thought Same with Jose...its no secret that Jose is outplaying Ford in EVERY aspect of the game...but Sam always decides to take Jose out so quickly...when he's doing a good job for us..WHY SAM WHY!?!?!?! I am getting SO frustrated with sam's play calling and rotations. can anyone tell me why bosh didnt get the ball down the stretch? in fact most of his points came off broken plays and offensive boards...he maybe had 5 plays run for him all night...and golden state had NO answer for him what so ever. we were playing a great game...poised to win...and wierd play calling and rotations cost us the game imo. g-state made their push midway through the 3rd when we had no answer for beidrins. forget davis in the 4th...there was about 4 or 5 times in a row when we got a stop but beidrins was left to pick up offensive board after offensive board and gave his team lots of 2nd chances. Why sam didnt sub out bargs i will never know. if we had gotten those rebounds it would have ignited our transition game and we could have gotten some easy hoops to stay in front. remember when sam called a time out when g-state went up by 6 in the 4th...after that they proceeded to go on a 6-0 run. GOOD ADJUSTMENTS SAM!! so frustrating. im really starting to get on the "fire/blame mitchell" bandwagon...im glad colangelo came with us on this road trip...so he can see first hand what mitchell is doing
Maybe Sam's hesitant to send Ford to the bench, because he may have had a big hand in him coming over? If anyone saw Behind the Draft, Colangelo wanted his opinion on getting TJ and he got real excited. Now it appears that, while Ford may be able to grow into the role, the loss of CV as a dependable 2nd scorer has been a bigger problem. It seems like Sam's moves right now are motivated strictly to prove that the losses aren't his fault.
I really liked tj's numbers from last night...he was rebounding the ball nicely, and only turned the ball over 3 times...lets face it, thats pretty good for him so far. One of his turnovers should have been a warrior foul too...so you could argue that he really only turned the ball over twice. I can live with that. he had 6 assists, but if some guys had made some shots down the strech, or early in the first, it could easily have been 10+ He also shot just under .50 (6-14) for a guy who supposedly cant shoot...ill live with that too. I just think that Jose whould be getting more minutes then he has been. 16mpg for the player leading our team in fg% isnt enough. I havnt given up on TJ yet, but i DO want to see more minutes for jose
Seems you guys are very frustrated with your current head coach. Trust me, I understand. Us Warrior fans had to deal with Mike Montgomery and his hideous rotations and play calls the past 2 seasons. But our problem got solved when we got two time COY and soon to be hall of famer 2nd winningest coach Don Nelson. Btw, Bosh is a beast and the raps should have kept CV. TJ is overrated and Calderon is an assist machine given the minutes.
