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If you dislike the Saquan pick you're entitled to your opinion Chuck but please stop dancing with glee because you believe your theory of never drafting rbs early has been proven with his injury. It also means that you go along with those same experts and draft Darnold instead, because that was the alternative. Boomer said it best regarding Saquan - he needs to stop going airborne and start putting his head down and running people over. I'm not sure what to make of the Giants but Reese wasn't taking them in the right direction either and his gut feeling picks killed the Giants. DG picked 16 players his first 2 years 10 are starting, suggests he inherited a shitty team.
 
On one hand you have fucking Jets fans complaining all day that all their QB does is dink and dunk, never throws the ball down field and goes 3 and out all the time. Now we have Giants fans complaining that their QB who has no running game either is fearless in the pocket, throws the ball down the field all the time, stays in the pocket and is willing to get hit all the time to make plays. I remember pretty much all Giants fans bitching about Eli never wanting to take a hit the last 7 to 8 years and just turtling. In short, NY fans are never fucking happy unless they win a title. When the Giants build a better team around Jones, his turnovers will go away. Put him on the Chiefs or Ravens and he would be throwing 35 TD's a year with about 7 picks and less than 7 fumbles. That's because those teams don't suck. Give it a little more time and the Giants will put it together. The Jets on the other hand are probably fucked.
 
As far as Sequon goes he was the right pick. What Chuck's limited brain doesn't realize is Gettleman realized his only dynamic play maker Odell was a retard. He signed him which actually made him easier to trade and prayed he would grow up. When he didn't he dumped him. He had to get the team a playmaker. He wasn't impressed with the QB's in the class. If you put Lamar Jackson on the Giants he would suck and I'm pretty sure he would be hurt already. Same with Allen. Shit happens. Sequon's story is far from over. This line will continue to grow. I hope Gettleman trades Zeitler for a good return and plays Peart and Lemieux after their record sucks which should be soon. Then the line can grow as a young unit. They still have lots of work to do but it's moving in the right position. Especially when McKinney gets back on the field. He's a beast. When the line gets better, Sequon will flourish. However, they definitely need some extra picks and to draft a bruising RB to give Sequon some relief. As well as protect the RB unit with depth.
 
Let us not forget Chuck was the dipshit who wanted the Rangers to trade their first and second round picks every year and when it didn't work and left the team in shambles, he vanished like a pussy and changed his handle to try and hide. It's funny now that he supports the Rangers rebuilding and doing the exact opposite of what he preached for years but he won't acknowledge that the Giants are going through the same thing.
 
Drafting a RB 2nd is not a good move. I don't care about his injury, that is the case either way. It is about positional value. His injury just hammers it home even more because RB's take a beating, hence most of their careers are done and shot by 30. He had a down year last year, he is missing 14 + games this year, and even if he comes back great, which I expect he will actually, it still is not smart to take a RB # 2. You can get good RB's all over the draft, and that is proven year after year.

As for the Rangers trading away their picks, and I am sure this will go above your pea brain, they actually did 10000000000000000% the right thing. Let's look at it. They had a window open for years, they made many long runs, they got close to a SC, and then SMARTLY once they started to trend down Gorton immediately pulled the plug BEFORE their players lost their value, and then restocked their system in 2 years. Now they head into next season as a legit playoff team, and soon a legit SC team after 3 or 4 years. To me that proves Sather/Gorton played it exactly right. Go all in to win, okay didn't fully work, but pull the plug early enough to recoup many picks. And yes they got some good breaks with the # 2 and # 1 picks in back to back years, but you need that luck sometimes to help move things along. So yeah Sather/Gorton played it perfectly, and kudos to them for an amazing strategy.

A portion of the 6 or 7 posters on here are so lost sometimes it is really comical. You have one guy who says stop getting on Jones because he has sh*t around him. And at the same time he says oh the GM of 3 years has done a really good job, and deserves to be here. That makes no sense. Those are 100% opposing viewpoints, but the mental midget doesn't get that. Same guy says oh what a terrible job dealing all our picks to actually win a cup. But he is too lost to understand that given how quickly the system has been restocked it proves the way the Rangers played their open window was spot on. Another guy who cannot comprehend things enough to understand the fact that Barkley got hurt this year has about 1% to do with proving the downside of drafting a RB # 2. Even if he was great, it is still not smart to take a RB # 2. The fact that 2 of his 3 seasons have been below average/poor, is simply more fuel on the fire, but even if he was great like he was his rookie year, the fire was already burning by taking a RB # 2 to start with. And I expect him to be great when he returns next season, and it will still not be smart to pick a RB # 2.
 
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kreidertime said:
Stop being a condescending bitch which is what you always are. Simply stating that when you have no running game, a below average offensive line, very few weapons and you have to score 30 points pretty much all by your arm because your defense sucks, you have to be aggressive and constantly try to make plays. Of course, you probably never played any sport on a high level in your life. More likely you sat on the couch eating nachos.
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Project much?? Hahaha ! Also, you may want to familiarize yourself with what 'condescending' actually means...see...THAT is condescending. What I was being before (and normally am) is facetious. You are the condescending shitbag here. Understand what condescending means and re-read EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts and it may surprise you.
But back to your boyfriend Daniel Jones...there are plenty of other QBs currently in the league and through history that have been in the exact same situation that he is with a horrible supporting cast who don't/didn't turn the ball over twice a game. No big deal though, he is young and there are HOF QBs who started out worse than he did. But like you pointed out, Gettelman has a TON of work to do to make this team a contender. Considering how GMs have a pretty short shelf life in the NFL unless the quickly build a winner, he has to act fast and make few mistakes.
 
Probably better to put Chuck on ignore like I just did one other idiot. I don't see him making any decent points much like before.
 
The only trade i would probably want a mulligan on would be the Eric Staal deal. Otherwise i thought the MSL and Yandle trades were productive for where we were at the time. The trade i never got and looks really bad now is Graves to Colorado. Always wanted him to get called up but they just never did.
 
Sorry, all those trades sacrificing the future were a colossal failure because they didn't win shit and thus set the organization back years. Go for it now moves are useless if you can't win a title which is why you do those moves. Yandle was terrible. One of the worst defensive defenseman we ever had. St. Louis played great the one year but they gave up way too freakin much for an old player who was forcing his way here. The Clowe trade was a disgrace. The Nash trade was a disgrace. I liked it at first but it was a total failure. Although Gorton unscrewed that one. The Tim Erixon trade was a joke.

Just panic moves from a team desperate to win a cup.
 
You simply can't give up first rounders unless you are acquiring a young, top end player you can lock up. It's just dumb. Even if you can win a title, it will set you back years. Lightning could have had two first rounders this year but they traded them for Coleman and Goodrow. I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have gotten two similar players without giving up a first rounder for role guys. Panic moves.
 
On a side note, Lamoriello winning the GM of the year award was probably one of the biggest disgraces in the history of the NHL awards voting. A sympathy vote for an old man. It's as if the hockey world had it's eyes closed and chose not to realize that the Islanders are in cap hell, were going to miss the playoffs and his Pageau deal was a disaster until Covid hit. If we are going to factor in playoff runs with that award than the Dallas GM should be the GM of the year.
 
Well, now that I'm on "Ignore"...does anyone else find it strangely pathetic that dump has to come to a Rangers message board to talk football? Don't get me wrong, it makes perfect sense. He probably is such a prick to the people he used to talk with about the Giants that no one engages him anymore. Dude is so attention starved, it's kinda sad. At least we are used to his childish rants and can handle him!
 
That take is so wrong. They went for the cup, you know the goal of every team, and came up just a little short. Okay, it happens. But before their players lost their value they flipped them to get all of the picks back, and then some, that they traded away. And now 3 or so years later they are ready to win again, and by next season they should be a legit contender. So you are wrong bro, despite your refusal to admit it.

Here is the timeline - many years of being a contending team making long runs, dealt many picks to elongate that run and get as much out of it as possible, before the players who fueled the run lost their value Gorton traded many away and restocked the system and future, now 3 or 4 years later they are ready to win again.

Give me a break if you think that is the wrong approach. Many winning years, 3 years or so to restock, and then hopefully many winning years again.

That is a great way to play it, and huge kudos to Gorton for understanding that, despite your take. Every team in the NHL would take that path. In the NHL trading 1st round picks for rentals to take your shot happens year in and year out. It is part of the league, and I would argue the Rangers played it better than almost any team ever has, while also being very lucky to move up to # 2 and # 1 in back to back drafts.
 
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And those picks the Rangers traded turned into Kerby Rychel and Josh Ho-Sang, both of whom haven't amounted to anything. Duclair hasn't set the world on fire either.
 
I consider Saquan a generational player, worth the #2 pick and he immediately assumed a major role in the Giants offense winning rookie of the year. The #1 priority of a GM at the draft is hitting on the players he selects, that was Reese's problem, he drafted too many busts. Again for the Saquan pick haters, I get it that you wanted that mope Darnold instead because that was the alternative and it's ok to select QBs with a top draft pick. Watch Sam play and you might change your opinion on the Saquan pick
 
The Rangers didn't make the picks so stating who another team took with those picks is stupid.

Sequon was the right pick unless they were going with Chubb which I would have been OK with also. Either way it's bad luck he got hurt. Other than Slayton, none of the Giants best offensive weapons stay healthy. Which is why next year they need to have extra picks. The offense needs at least one other RB and 2-3 new WR's with some speed. They have the defense to work on as well. I can only hope that Gettleman is finally active at the deadline and moves players for picks. This will be his best chance. Teams have a ton of injuries. The NFC east is wide open. The Packers and Saints badly need a pass catching TE. If Gettleman can't get a good deal there then I'll start bashing him. Hopefully the dipshit will be healthy. That is why I'd move him sooner than later. They also could use a WR like Tate or Shepard as well. Titans need WR help. I'm sure a ton of teams could use a player like Ryan or a guard like Zeitler. There are deals out there to be made. Honestly, it's not like Jones doesn't have to go out there and try to win every freakin game with his arm now. I'd rather have the picks and put some young WR's out there and see if any of them can develop like Slayton did.
 
It's amazing how Giants consistently leave half ass receivers open all the time and their schmucks can't get any separation game after game. Thank God for the Rangers because the rest of NY sports sucks dick.
 
Not much of a chance, but I thought today was maybe the worst game Jones has played. He looked off all game. Not his fault as he was under pressure all game, with few weapons, but he did not look great today.
 
This is the worst pair of New York football teams since the 70s. Just unwatchable crap. Seriously, why even bother at this point? I'd rather watch more entertaining games or do something better with my Sunday.
 
Sadly, when I watch the Giants their WR's never get open. They have little to no speed. The Giants and Jets as a whole don't invest in speed and it's one of the reasons both have terrible secondary's and poor WR cores. I feel bad for both QB's. Neither has a running game as well. Neither team has one pass rusher capable of giving a good OL a hard time. These two QB's are in impossible situations. Only thing you can hope for is that both GM's stock pile more picks and somehow get a lot more team speed and an OL that doesn't suck.
 
Gettleman still looking good...LOL.

Andrew Thomas was drafted first but is performing worst.

Scouts, executives and analysts couldn’t reach a consensus when ranking the four premier offensive tackles in the 2020 NFL Draft class. Against that risky backdrop, the Giants made Thomas the first off the board, leaving Jedrick Wills for the Browns, Mekhi Becton for the Jets and Tristan Wirfs for the Buccaneers within the top 15 picks.

Early returns are cause for concern.

Thomas allowed six pressures — second-most among all NFL offensive linemen in Week 4 — and two sacks Sunday against the Rams, according to Pro Football Focus. With five sacks allowed, he is graded No. 66 among 72 tackles, while Wirfs (No. 24), Becton (No. 26) and Wills (No. 46) are faring better.
 
Andrew Thomas is fine. This was his first bad game. As usual you're moron and read some loser in the Post who knows nothing about football. I watch Thomas. He was good his first three games. Those rankings also don't take into account when they overload. In week two Thomas had his man and then Mack came over to make it 2 on 1. It's up to the team to pick up one of those two guys. They didn't and charged Thomas with the sack which is total bullshit. You need to stop believing what you read in the Post and try watching things with your eyes. PFF is the best grading players but like I just pointed out, they don't factor in overloads on tackles and credit pressures and sacks against the tackles when other players don't pick up pass rushers and do their job.

Also, Wirfs and Wills are on much more talented teams with more weapons, more vets on the lines. Becton is already hurt. His frame does not project to a long career in the NFL. One of the reasons they passed on him. I believe Wirfs is playing right tackle, not left. Big difference. If you watched the game unlike the dumb fuck that wrote the article, you would also know that Jones has to throw the ball all the time putting much more pressure on his line. He also holds onto the ball forever because his shitty receivers don't ever get open. Putting the line in a very tough spot.

When you have absolutely no running game because your line hasn't come together yet, doubtful that any tackle you put out there is going to rate very high when you play some of the best defenses in football the first 4 weeks.
 
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And there are plenty of other articles and sources applauding him games 1-3 but you didn’t post a single one. Can’t throw off the narrative I guess.
 
It truly amazes me how you have excuse after excuse for Gettleman and the crap teams he has put out year after year, while at the same time defending him, and knocking the team for having no talent and being a mess. That is pretty amazing stuff. He is the GM, has been the GM for 3 years now, he has miss after miss, the team has holes all over the place, you admit they lack talent, but somehow still defend Gettleman. That is amazing dude.

As for Thomas, no doubt it is still too early to read too deeply into how he has played thus far, and where he will end up, but he certainly hasn't looked head and shoulders above the other 3 guys, or like the 4th overall pick. But again being very fair it is too early to draw any real conclusions.
 
theProdigy223 said:
And there are plenty of other articles and sources applauding him games 1-3 but you didn’t post a single one. Can’t throw off the narrative I guess.
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That's great to hear man. Post some of them. I'd love to get some good info on his play so far. Thanks for offering.
 
Giants have played Pitt, Chicago, San Fran and the Rams. Those are some of the best defenses in football. Even the 49's banged up are still good defensively. Tampa has played the Saints, Chargers, Carolina and Denver. All mediocre defenses and Wirfs is playing RT going against lesser pass rushers most of the time. Cleveland has played Baltimore, Cinn, Washington and Dallas. Baltimore is a legit defense and destroyed Cleveland. Cinn, Washington and Dallas are all atrocious defenses and Washington didn't have Young when they played them. Jets have played Buff, San Fran, Indy and Denver. They did nothing offensively the first three weeks. Teams aren't rushing the passer as much vs. the Jets because they don't have to. They have no WR's, TE's or RB's that can hurt you.

Let's see what Wills does now that he has to play Indy and Pitt the next two games. Tampa's entire schedule is pretty much full of crappy defensive teams. They play Chicago next week then GB.
 
What truly amazes me is how you believe the horeshit you read by stunted non athletes that write for papers. You continue to look at things based off of one game and have no ability to look at things from many angles. You have no clue how no running game and a QB that holds the ball a long time is going to hurt your tackles rating wise with places like PFF. You also are so stupid that you don't factor in the defenses those 4 tackles have played. The Giants have played some of the best defenses out there while the other tackles have not. Until you stop reading writers articles like they are hall of fame coaches, you will remain a joke here Chuck.
 
I didn’t offer shit, you can do your own research. I’ve cited articles for you in the past such as the pre-draft OT rankings, and you just ignore them and continue citing your own narrative like a robot.

Coming here and taking a victory lap after our best player shreds his knee and then celebrating that our first pick had a bad game with an LOL after ignoring his first 3 promising games says more about you as a fan than anything else.
 
Okay - I see this is a very passionate subject...LOL. I like it. Gets a board with no posters going. Love the passion and the cursing Prod. That is A game all the way. I figured if you are calling out articles maybe you could share some. Sorry that touched a nerve...:).

And your Barkley narrative is flat out wrong. I have said since day 1 taking an RB at # 2 was a huge mistake. The fact that he has had 2 of 3 down years proves it further. That's just fact man. Sorry that bothers you.
 
kreidertime said:
What truly amazes me is how you believe the horeshit you read by stunted non athletes that write for papers. You continue to look at things based off of one game and have no ability to look at things from many angles. You have no clue how no running game and a QB that holds the ball a long time is going to hurt your tackles rating wise with places like PFF. You also are so stupid that you don't factor in the defenses those 4 tackles have played. The Giants have played some of the best defenses out there while the other tackles have not. Until you stop reading writers articles like they are hall of fame coaches, you will remain a joke here Chuck.
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The point you continue to miss, is the GM you continue to support and love put this team together. When you say no running game, THAT IS ON GETTLEMAN. When you say a QB that holds the ball too long (meaning he is struggling), THAT IS ON GETTLEMAN who picked him way early. You don't get it man. You knock the team, you say they have no talent, the OL still stinks, no running game, but yet you praise the GM. You cannot have it both ways dude.
 
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