Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

This makes the most sense.

 

"Way more" - I don't want Hield (even more one dimensional than Jerami, who at least plays defense and isn't a guard, of whom we have too many) and I don't want Toppin (who is a dunker and literally nothing else), and those picks will likely be shit. Woo woo.

 

Jokic wishes.

 

Yes you sound like the kind of calm and reasonable person who doesn't take stuff way more seriously than it deserves.
For the record, as the players coming back from the Cavs are all first rounders who have stuck in the league whatever you think of them, no I don't think "any" first rounder beats that deal, unless the other team literally absorbs Grant's salary and frees up massive cap space for us, which no team can do.

Glad you don't care about this very much lol.

 

Ah, I get where the misunderstanding is now. You think the value of Niang and Rubio are worth more than a bad 1st, whereas I put more faith into the draft process and would rather gamble on a player to become something.

Then we can agree to disagree on the value of that package, I personally think it’s shit, much like your view on what a late 1st is. That isn’t to say none of those players would be useful. Attach 2 1sts to that package, and suddenly it looks like a competitive deal. Niang is a vet shooter that we would need, and worst case scenario, we lose $4m next season (because Rubio’s contract is non-guaranteed) if no team wants to give up some 2nds for him.

But the thought of giving up Grant for no picks at all and one of the main reasons is “summerleague MVP”…good grief.

 

Pick situation: Warriors unprotect their ‘24 1st, then trade us a top 3 protected 1st in ‘26 (top 1 protected in ‘27, turns into 3 future 2nds if not conveyed), ‘29 swap is unprotected.

My rationale for each team—
Cavs: they might have to ditch the two big lineup for more shooting. Okoro would go out with Allen to match salary. No draft picks involved on their end, so I think they do this just based on the better fit. I wanted to have them add a 2nd but I’m fine without it if Allen gets traded to the right team.

Warriors: Three years of Allen at $20m is as good of a big man as they can hope for. Right now, their big man depth is almost as bad as ours. Allen would be with the them until Steph is 38. Draymond would now be able to just be a third string big which would be better for him at his age. They could switch out Moody and Joseph for Kuminga, depending on who they prefer to keep, I’d take either of them. If given the choice though, I’d take Moody. Kuminga has the same foul problems as Scoot and it’s his third year. I’m sure Kuminga could be a productive player eventually if he goes to the right situation, but I think Moody could be a 3-D guy that fits anywhere, so a flier on him sounds for promising. Moody is also more similar to Okoro in size.

Blazers: I’ll start off with Wiggins. I don’t think Wiggins is a huge downgrade from Grant. His contract is cheaper and shorter than Grant’s, and he’s a much better POA. I think Chauncey could motivate him to regain his old form, maybe even take on a leadership role, having experience as a #1 pick into a tumultuous situation in Minny. Realistically, I could see us getting a 1st for him at the next deadline. If he’s a POA defender and 38-40% shooter again, maybe he gets a good prospect + a pick. He’s a reclamation project we’ve seen work, I’m very hopeful it happens again. We just waive Joseph after trading for him.

Picks: I think that the Warriors have to consider unprotecting the pick if they can get Allen for the rest of Curry’s good years. If the ‘26 pick doesn’t convey, it’ll be 14% we get 3 2nds for Grant, 86% we get another 1st in ‘27. Curry will be retired in ‘29, so an unprotected swap with GS might be very good. This could position us better in the ‘29 draft. GS might have to agree to this too, since dealing with us is the only way they could get someone like Allen anyways. I don’t think there’s any way they can attach any combination of their players to that one 1st for Allen.

 

Id rather take Cavs players than the Warriors trash

 

Jarrett Allen is worth more than Jerami by himself.

 

No way. Not when you place Grant next to young stud Isiah Mobley and Summer League MVP Evan Mobley.

 

Ehh, sure you could keep Allen and deal DA to GS but we could we getting back CP3 + filler salary, and likely 2nds, not even a 1st, and you aren’t going to get them to unprotect their 1st. DA’s value is at an all time low, the only reason to keep the Cavs players is to keep Allen. But in a draft class loaded with big men, why take Allen? Double dip and draft two bigs. Allen isn’t a superstar. But he would likely maximize Steph’s prime enough for them to give up that much draft capital. Everything still gets derailed for them with a Curry injury.

 

If Cleveland would trade for Grant, I'd take Okoro and Allen over the GS crap any day.
IMO Okoro has slightly more value than Moody + Joseph, and Allen has significantly more value than Wiggins + picks.

Yes, the '26 pick and the '29 swap may be nice - but they aren't an amazing return either. I think you're missing the forest by focusing on the one tree (draft capital) in front of you.

And who said anything about DA? Given the salary structure of the team, I'd keep both Allen & DA at least until the summer time before trading one of them.

 

I think that I get misrepresented as this because you guys are dismissing Wiggins as a negative asset. You just called Wiggins crap, so of course I could see why you’d think I’m missing the forest and focusing on the tree. I don’t see Wiggins as that. I see Wiggins as a better POA defender and rebounder than Grant, and he can play SF. I think that with a young team that completes and having a player-empowerment coach like Chauncey will encourage to play the near All-Defense-level defense he use to play with. Maybe he becomes more confident in his shot again. I strongly feel like Chauncey had something to do with Thybulle becoming a consistent confident shooter, and he wasn’t when we got here. Wiggins actually WAS a good shooter before this season, for more than a few seasons straight.

Why he is having a bad shooting season, I don’t know. I’ve read dubs fans talking about him healing from a rib or something. But we aren’t ever talking about the possibility of trading for him if he was the player he’s been since landing in GS. To each their own.

I know that if Cronin traded for Wiggins and he suddenly becomes the Wiggins in his best Warriors years, more than half this forum will be clamoring to keep him for veteran experience, when the prudent move would be to capitalize on his value lol.

 

I’m not going to argue with you on this one because I don’t have any particular opinion on one or the other. So I’ll take your word for it, he may have gotten a lot better. Okoro kind of fell off my radar very quickly because he was way smaller than I thought he’d be for a SF. My comp for him out of Auburn was a slightly smaller OG, and he turned out to be significantly smaller than OG. To be fair, he could’ve gotten

Moody is the only one of the two I’ve seen recent tape of. I don’t think Moody will be a star or anything. But I think we can bring Moody back to a cheap rookie extension and he could still be a great 3-D player eventually into that extension. He’s only 6’6 in shoes, but he plays so hard and changes games with his hustle. He’d be PERFECT with Scoot, Thybulle, and Walker. Okoro is smaller than Moody, and is more injury prone.

 

Ehh, I don’t like the idea of upsetting DA. At this point, there would literally be no point of doing so. Allen is not a generational talent for us to think about how this impacts the locker room. This draft also has so many big men.

So many people wanted DA with Dame, and I was very sour on him. I finally gave in when Dame was traded, and it seems like people are looking to get rid of him already. The idea of having both hurts my head. If this were in the realm of possibilities for what could’ve happened in a DA to Portland deal, we should’ve just never done it. But we did, and I’m just not willing to let one guy potentially ruin it with his attitude. DA isn’t getting squat in a trade unfortunately, not worth attaching anything to get rid of him.

 

@CJ_is_Gone I know that was a lot of words, sorry lol.

 

...and there's no way they'll trade him now:

 

he has to get traded, his shots need to go to the young fellas (scoot & shae first and foremost, but also ant & ayton)

 

He still can't be traded until a month from now but I'm pretty sure (let's say 70%) that both Jerami and Malcolm will be on contenders after the trade deadline.

 

they should be, although i wouldnt mind keeping brogdon if hes okay with the lesser role and being a mentor to the young guys

 

Would the Pacers consider giving us Jarace Walker for Jerami Grant? I know we would need salary match but that would be my dream. I think Walker is going to be a great role player.