<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 30 2007, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding me? I f*cking hate Kobe right now. I am not going to act like I never liked him. I have been on the guy's dick for years. Now this....I just want to tear every poster off in my room and I just really don't like Kobe right now. He turned his back on the organization and the Laker fans. F*ck him.</div>If you think about it, the Lakers turned their back on him by lying to him... obviously he will feel betrayed. You expect him to be all happy?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 30 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding me? I f*cking hate Kobe right now. I am not going to act like I never liked him. I have been on the guy's dick for years. Now this....I just want to tear every poster off in my room and I just really don't like Kobe right now. He turned his back on the organization and the Laker fans.</div>Well Maybe if yall didnt get rid of Shaq,Gary Payton,Karl Malone,Derek Fisher,Caron Butler,Ron Harper, Glen Rice,etc. and only add Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom in the last 8 years he wouldnt want to leave. A player can only do so much, if anything blame your GM. Kobe is only human, if I was him id want to be traded also. Right now he is wasting his talent by playing on a team that cant compete at a championship level.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 30 2007, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you think about it, the Lakers turned their back on him by lying to him... obviously he will feel betrayed. You expect him to be all happy?</div>It doesn't matter. I definitely agree that he should have known about the Caron Butler deal and that it should have never happend, but Kobe has to be a man about it. He should not just turn his back on this team AND Laker fans everywhere. I just don't agree with that.There is no player in the NBA with higher value than Kobe so we will most likely get a few good players in some type of deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 30 2007, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon is a shoot-first player and not a true PG. Is that the guy you want playing alongside the best scorer in the league? Duhon is a prototypical PG and will have no problem getting Bryant the ball.I'd prefer to have Bryant at SG too, which is why the Bulls should keep Deng, but if you're going to start Gordon it can't be at PG. It'd be like recreating the Francis-Mobley backcourt but with better players. Duhon needs to start at point since Hinrich will be going to LA.</div>Gordon played PG alot in his rookie season and won 6th man of the year. I dont think it's out of the question if he could ever convert to a true PG while I agree Duhon is a great passer(he really isnt above average at anything else.) If you watched Gordon this year, he showed handling skills that rival any PG right now(Which originally his only flaw at playing PG was poor handling.)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...;teams=18~13~13http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...p;teams=4~13~13http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...amp;teams=10~13Just a few ideas that could possibly end up happenning and that add up in the money department, and they would all likely include a draft pick or 2 thrown in there as well. Another one that I wasn't able to put up as he is becoming a FA this summer is VC/role player/draft pick for Kobe. VC would keep Lakers from being the absolute worst team in league, sell tickets, etc...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well Maybe if yall didnt get rid of Shaq,Gary Payton,Karl Malone,Derek Fisher,Caron Butler,Ron Harper, Glen Rice,etc. and only add Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom in the last 8 years he wouldnt want to leave. A player can only do so much, if anything blame your GM. Kobe is only human, if I was him id want to be traded also. Right now he is wasting his talent by playing on a team that cant compete at a championship level.</div>First of all, Shaq demanded a trade just like Kobe is doing now. Gary Payton would have got us a young Marcus Banks but he F*cked that up, Karl Malone retired, Derek Fisher signed with the Warriors. The Caron Butler trade was just stupid. (except ridding Atkins) Ron Harper retired and Glen Rice sucks. You list those players, yet you have no idea how they left. I agree that the management has been horrible to surround Kobe with players. (Much like AI with Philly) But it's not fair to a City with Fans who have been so loyal to him through all his tough times. Countless times, I have Supported a guy that was hated everywhere....and now he's leaving? What an ***hole. I know this is bigger than just fans but what else can I think?I can only hope we get some Good pieces for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 30 2007, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't matter. I definitely agree that he should have known about the Caron Butler deal and that it should have never happend, but Kobe has to be a man about it. He should not just turn his back on this team AND Laker fans everywhere. I just don't agree with that.There is no player in the NBA with higher value than Kobe so we will most likely get a few good players in some type of deal.</div>I see your point, but if Buss didn't tell Kobe one thing (hey, I want to win a title) and then go and do another (rebuilding, passing on trades/free agent possibilities), Kobe isn't going to sit around and take it. As a Laker fan, you realize he wants to win, and I'm sure you want to win, but apparently Buss doesn't want to win or isn't committed to making the moves to be in a position to win (this is the picture that is being painted by the media right now).He's going about it the wrong way, but they wouldn't be in this position if it wasn't for Buss. If he acted like a man, then Kobe and the Lakers wouldn't be in this mess right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 30 2007, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, Shaq demanded a trade just like Kobe is doing now. Gary Payton would have got us a young Marcus Banks but he F*cked that up, Karl Malone retired, Derek Fisher signed with the Warriors. The Caron Butler trade was just stupid. (except ridding Atkins) Ron Harper retired and Glen Rice sucks. You list those players, yet you have no idea how they left. I agree that the management has been horrible to surround Kobe with players. (Much like AI with Philly) But it's not fair to a City with Fans who have been so loyal to him through all his tough times. Countless times, I have Supported a guy that was hated everywhere....and now he's leaving? What an ***hole. I know this is bigger than just fans but what else can I think?I can only hope we get some Good pieces for him.</div>I knew how they left but by saying those names I meant, they let those players go without adding talent. Which was my whole point of that post and why Kobe would leave LA if hes going to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 30 2007, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, Shaq demanded a trade just like Kobe is doing now. Gary Payton would have got us a young Marcus Banks but he F*cked that up, Karl Malone retired, Derek Fisher signed with the Warriors. The Caron Butler trade was just stupid. (except ridding Atkins) Ron Harper retired and Glen Rice sucks. You list those players, yet you have no idea how they left. I agree that the management has been horrible to surround Kobe with players. (Much like AI with Philly) But it's not fair to a City with Fans who have been so loyal to him through all his tough times. Countless times, I have Supported a guy that was hated everywhere....and now he's leaving? What an ***hole. I know this is bigger than just fans but what else can I think?I can only hope we get some Good pieces for him.</div>Hakeem Olajuwon played on the Raptors, Michael Jordan played on the Wizards, Scottie Pippen played on the Trailblazers. Lakers fans will live if Kobe leaves LA, its a part of the game. Look at it positively, back in 1999 you got Kobe for Vlade Divac and you won 3 championships with him. You got plenty of your worth, now let him move on. If you are a real kobe fan you would want whats best for his career.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hakeem Olajuwon played on the Raptors, Michael Jordan played on the Wizards, Scottie Pippen played on the Trailblazers. Lakers fans will live if Kobe leaves LA, its a part of the game. Look at it positively, back in 1999 you got Kobe for Vlade Divac and you won 3 championships with him. You got plenty of your worth, now let him move on. If you are a real kobe fan you would want whats best for his career.</div>Thing is, I am a Laker fan first, and a Kobe fan second. I am not going to become a hater like so any people out there. But I will definitely NOT cheer for him. I am very thankful for the 3 championships we got, but I think over time I will get over it. It just happend, a lot of what I am typing is just venting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hakeem Olajuwon played on the Raptors, Michael Jordan played on the Wizards, Scottie Pippen played on the Trailblazers. Lakers fans will live if Kobe leaves LA, its a part of the game. Look at it positively, back in 1999 you got Kobe for Vlade Divac and you won 3 championships with him. You got plenty of your worth, now let him move on. If you are a real kobe fan you would want whats best for his career.</div>Hakeem and Jordan left (or came back in Jordans case) when they had already done it all and were in the twilights of their career. Kobe is in his athletic prime. He still has so much to do. If he leaves it will be like unfinished business.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChuckTheD @ May 30 2007, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hakeem and Jordan left (or came back in Jordans case) when they had already done it all and were in the twilights of their career. Kobe is in his athletic prime. He still has so much to do. If he leaves it will be like unfinished business.</div>Ok then What about Kareem Abdul Jabbar? The Bucks lost him after winning a championship while he was still dominating. The reason? Because LA was a better fit for him(which was proven when he and Magic went on to create a Dynasty)Everyone loses players. EVERYONEThe Lakers will still be the Lakers when Kobe is gone(which by the minute im starting to think hes leaving more and more)
Lakersfan247 are you saying if you were promised to get a great team built around you and it didn't happen you would be happy staying on the team? How can you blame Kobe when he was the one who went out and gave 100% every but was given no support at all even though he was promised that he would. I mean us Sixers fans were in the same situation a few months ago and you didn't see us start hating on AI. We stayed true to our team(minus Serge) but wished him good luck in Denver and hope he'll win a ring there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There is no player in the NBA with higher value than Kobe so we will most likely get a few good players in some type of deal.</div>this I disagree with. There may not be anybody as good as Kobe, but Dwight Howard, the rights to Oden, Lebron, Wade, and a few other guys would not be traded for kobe straight up by their teams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kobebryant_24OWNEDME @ May 30 2007, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this I disagree with. There may not be anybody as good as Kobe, but Dwight Howard, the rights to Oden, Lebron, Wade, and a few other guys would not be traded for kobe straight up by their teams.</div>That's what I meant.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ May 30 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lakersfan247 are you saying if you were promised to get a great team built around you and it didn't happen you would be happy staying on the team? How can you blame Kobe when he was the one who went out and gave 100% every but was given no support at all even though he was promised that he would. I mean us Sixers fans were in the same situation a few months ago and you didn't see us start hating on AI. We stayed true to our team(minus Serge) but wished him good luck in Denver and hope he'll win a ring there.</div>I don't care if he's happy with it or not. He should just shut the hell up and play basketball for his team. He's being a bi*ch about it. He doesn't want to end up like KG by being loyal and not winning, but who's to say winning is out of the question? Trades are still up in the air and anything can happen.
Here is what I said a few days ago in the other thread:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, if Kobe ends up getting traded....F*ck him. Laker fan first, Kobe fan second. I love Kobe but if he truly gives up his loyalty to this Franchise, The Los Angeles Lakers. I could seriously care less about him. I won't hate or boo him like many haters, but I am not going to cheer for him either. I will not be like many of the Sixer fans that suddenly became Nugget fans once Iverson was traded. That's just not me.</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 30 2007, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here is what I said a few days ago in the other thread:</div>Nobody is telling you to switch teams, but you wouldn't at least support the guy after all he did for you?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ May 30 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody is telling you to switch teams, but you wouldn't at least support the guy after all he did for you?</div>I will end up supporting him, but it will take time. This is pretty hard for me. Again, a lot of what I am saying is just me venting. I only found out about this a little over an hour ago.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTP @ May 30 2007, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never said he was going to Boston, I said it would be a solid deal imo. Al Jefferson is a good post but can you seriously tell me you'd take Al Jefferson over the greatest player in the game right now? And its not like this would be the only deal Boston would make, they would obviously try to get a big man through free agency which is very much possible and then also building that bench up a little bit. Right now Boston is probably 3-4 years away from even being a 8th seed type team and with Pierce there that doesn't cut it for him. Pierce wants to win now, he obviously won't win with that team plus a 5th overall selection. And once you get good talent like a Pierce and Bryant guys would want to come to Boston, you'd be amazed at the names that would be interested in playing in Boston or the guys that would end up in Boston. I don't watch Boston a lot but I know Green isn't some great player just yet. Dude is an average shooting guard in my eyes right now, probably has potential but when you have a chance to get someone as big as Kobe Bryant F*ck potential. And about Pierce and Bryant not being able to get along, when have you ever seen Pierce not get alone with a player? I'm sure if he could play with Walker he could damn sure play with Kobe. This like I said would make Boston and contender in the East right off the back. And all those fans who supposedly hate Kobe was just chanting MVP for him last season right? I'm pretty damn sure the fans would get over it pretty soon.</div>I never said "I'd take Al Jefferson over Kobe Bryant." I'm saying there is no point in dealing him for Kobe (PLUS Green, #5, West, and Wally), because I don't like the Pierce/Kobe duo with absolutely nothing around them. We'd lose the little depth we do have in that deal, we'd be starting backup caliber players, our bench would consist of borderline D-League talent, and we wouldn't have a lot of money to get any big-time free agents. Trading our ENTIRE future for a 3-4 year competitive team (which likely would not co-exist, mind you) is absolutely stupid.Kobe Bryant is clearly the best player in the world, but dealing a 22 year old future All-Star BIG MAN with rare low-post abilities, a potential star caliber swingman, the #5 pick in one of the deepest drafts in history, and two good role players... leaving us with 2 stars (both swingmen, mind you), Rondo, and garbage... is stupid and pointless.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ May 30 2007, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB32 and other Celtic fans, you were saying AI and Pierce would work out well, but Kobe and Pierce wouldn't? What is the reasons?</div>Because Iverson is more of a distributor and can play the point. Pierce and Kobe are both swingmen that need a lot of 1-on-1 possessions. Sure, Iverson is a 1-on-1 player as well, but he's willing to give up his own shots and again, he's more of a distributor. Kobe, on the other hand, as great as he is and as much as I love him, would not lower his touches (with that kind of ability and competitiveness, can you blame him?). It just wouldn't work... and again, we'd have to give up our ENTIRE future for Kobe.
The Lakers might be better off if they can get the right pieces for Kobe. Right now, the Lakers are stagnant....not going anywhere really.
